Question for JetBlue guys

[gutshotdraw]

Not familiar with the reference....

 

[PCL_128]

Hopefully it will pass? So coercion and strong arm tactics can dominate a workplace?

Coercion and strong arm tactics already dominate the workplace....from management. The Band of Bluejuice (BoB) is a perfect example with their damned list of JBPA supporters. Nothing more than a thinly veiled threat. Yet you seem ok with that.

There's nothing wrong with using "card check." Everyone still gets to make their own choice, and all intimidation is outlawed by the EFCA.

 

[gutshotdraw]

It's not a choice when a union organizer is in your face asking (telling) you to sign a card. It is far easier for a union organizer to make a legal case against the company for intimidation than it is for an employee to protest a threat from a unionizer. Ask the five guys from Flight Options how much they collected in their civil case. I've flown with one of them.

This is not about the merits of a union (BTW I'm married to an ALPA member and will be paying union dues myself in the not-too-distant future). This is about whether the choice for either side is made in private by the employee. There is plenty wrong with card check.

 

[PCL_128]

It's not a choice when a union organizer is in your face asking (telling) you to sign a card.

Why? You don't have the balls to say "no?"

It is far easier for a union organizer to make a legal case against the company for intimidation

Actually, it's pretty much impossible. You can thank the Republicans for that anti-labor nonsense.

There is plenty wrong with card check.

Not really. But you'd better get used to it, anyway, because it's on the way. (thankfully)

 

[Browntothebone]

The airline with the best contract, best pay, best retirement, best job security, best QOL and best fleet has an inhouse union. That should tell you something right there.

 

[FNG320]

Hey guys I have a question that may or may not have been answered before. Notwithstanding the results of the vote, but why did you guys decide to go with an in house union -vs- going with ALPA or teamsters? In a few weeks we are going to have a vote here at Airtran to possibly vote out the in-house union and go ALPA. Just curious. Thanks.

The real problem in organizing at JetBlue is the fact that we have a large number of pilots that feel they were abused, cheated, lied to by ALPA. There is so much scar tissue in our pilot group it makes it hard to organize an in-house (ref current vote), let alone ALPA.

We have a signficiant number of former/furloughed USAir pilots who feel the ALPA integration screwed them. We have many other pilots that were furloughed by United, NWA, Delta, et al and almost all feel that they were screwed/let down by their unions. We have a large number of pilots from regional carriers that feel they were not fairly treated by ALPA or used as a bargaining chip when the majors were negotiating new contracts. They feel that they were treated as "2nd Class Citizens. We have pilots that never saw any good from their previous carrier's union over the last 3-5-7 years (mainly ALPA) to the point they would rather trust/hope/pray that JetBlue management will do better.

Thus, the first/best chance to organize at JetBlue was to do it inhouse. Take into account above, but then throw in the spin and lies from management and the anti-union pilots and you get what we have at JetBlue.

While ALPA has problems, it is respected and feared by airline managments. They also come with a large support staff and lots of $$$$$. Maybe you can get something done. Good luck with your vote.

Just my opinion......

FNG