Question about type rating

[8AF]

Any regional out there will type their new hire FO PIC instead of SIC?

 

[Flyerjosh]

Nope. None that I know of... They don't want to give you a "ticket" to freedom. There are some places out there that have short course programs for "career" FOs that want to try to move on.

I was stuck at ACA/IDE for 4.5 years and never upgraded due to the fleet demands and the way I bid. When I got furloughed, I wanted to get a CRJ type and my ATP (since I had about 4000 hrs in type).

Pan Am International Flight Academy in Dulles offered furloughees a two week short course (week of ground + 5 sims) to get typed. Cost me $5000 (some of which I offset with unemployment grants).

 

[Flip Conroy]

Why would they type their new hire FOs? I'm surprised that question even needs to be asked.

 

[WMUSIGPI]

The only places that (PIC) type new FO's are the fractionals and corporate operations. They all do that SIC type now.

 

[flyer172r]

Why would they type their new hire FOs? I'm surprised that question even needs to be asked.

Honestly, it wouldn't be that hard. The FO checkride (at least at TSA, no idea if it's the same everywhere) lacks two things that are in the captain's checkride: a circling approach and an inflight engine restart. Typing the FOs wouldn't take too much extra effort and would probably make upgrade training easier (I could be way off base there, please correct me if I am).

Not giving the FOs the full type rating is just another way the man is trying to keep us down.

 

[Cloudroller]

i am suprised that you dont do a no flap landing and the 666 takeoff

 

[gringo]

Apparently it's an ICAO thing, that FO's need to have a type rating (but only if they're flying internationally.) I've heard that France flexed it's muscle fiber not too long ago- they stopped an N-numbered pax jet somewhere in the Pacific and grounded it because the FO didn't have the SIC type rating on his cetificate. That company had to fly out another FO to continue the flight.

Although it's unlikely that this would happen if you flew into Canada or Mexico, it IS possible. This rule just recently passed- but I don't personally know if any regionals are typing their FO's yet. If your company never leaves the lower 48, I doubt that it will. If you fly for any number of companies that have ops in the Carribean, Canada or Mexico, you might start seeing more of these.

 

[WMUSIGPI]

According to P.K. at Mesaba training, they were looking into typing the FO's on the Avro during initial training. But when the doo doo hit the fan that idea went out the window along with P K and C M
The only extra things needed on the checkride were taxiing, engine start, and a 2 engine approach

 

[WMUSIGPI]

Apparently it's an ICAO thing, that FO's need to have a type rating (but only if they're flying internationally.) I've heard that France flexed it's muscle fiber not too long ago- they stopped an N-numbered pax jet somewhere in the Pacific and grounded it because the FO didn't have the SIC type rating on his cetificate. That company had to fly out another FO to continue the flight.

Although it's unlikely that this would happen if you flew into Canada or Mexico, it IS possible. This rule just recently passed- but I don't personally know if any regionals are typing their FO's yet. If your company never leaves the lower 48, I doubt that it will. If you fly for any number of companies that have ops in the Carribean, Canada or Mexico, you might start seeing more of these.

The airlines are giving FO's the type rating with the SIC only limitation. That is just a paperwork exercise there is no checkride needed for that type and it satisfies ICAO requirements.

 

[DrewBlows]

They gave us the option at Skyway if we had the time. No one in my class did it. I asked about it at Comair, but was told that they don't do it.

 

[viper548]

They are giving out the SIC types now. It's just a matter of filling out the paperwork, having the training department sign off on it and get the 8710 to the FAA or a DE

 

[8AF]

Why would they type their new hire FOs? I'm surprised that question even needs to be asked.

This is a very legit question. What is your problem? SIC ride and PIC ride is almost identical - as explained in previous posts.

There are operators overseas that will hire people with 500 time in type and put them on the left seat.

For others, thanks for the info.

Oh yeah, almost forgot SYX, they do type new hires (optional) but I'm afraid they may not be around much longer. Hope I'm wrong, I worked for SYX at the dispatch but I left after the Delta deal fall apart. At Eagle, we SIC type everyone even those on the SF3.

 

[jetpig32]

F8 is doing this (or asking newhires to do this) on the Dash 8 side if they are higher time. Most did not elect to do so. Although there is only the only addition of no flap, low vis to, steep turns and circle to land, the PIC checkride is a bit different. A sic ride is a "train to proficiency" check ride. Most airlines do this and allow 1 to 2 sim stops if a maneuver is unsat. No such luck on the PIC ride.