Question about legality (Take 2)

[Soverytired]

Ah, I see. I guess I assumed that an FA was a flight crew member and didn't read the regs any further. My FOM talks about flight crew members and I figured that meant FA's too since it didn't say pilots. I guess they are leaving the door open for getting planes with engineers.

As previously stated, it varies airline to airline. At Mesa before I left, flight attendants were approved under the ops specs to fly under the same rules as the pilots.

Does this make the CA responsible? Technically, yes, but it would be hard to see the FAA prosecuting a captain who had no knowledge. If she tells you there's a problem, it's best to call crew tracking or ask to see her logbook.

Logbook? Well, if your op specs require the FA's to have the same rest as you, then the FA will also be required to have a logbook. If he/she doesn't have one when you ask, it's time to bring the chief pilot into the mix for specific (and recorded) instructions on how to proceed.

Never, ever be afraid to call the chief pilot about anything, and delay the flight as long as it takes to get his input.

 

[Kneeboards Rock]

Oh I would have called the CP if I knew about it -- especially since it was the last turn on the pairing and we are so hard up on FA's that the flight would most likely have been cancelled.

 

[shamrock]

But the real point is can you get your hair gel out of your backpack with a kneeboard on? And will you get any on your ipod when switching between Debbie Gibson tracks?
PBR

Might want to fix the contradiction in your stereotype there, PBR. Do you really think any 20-something, Oakley wearing, iPod sporting, gel haired pilot is going to know who Debbie Gibson is, let alone listen to her?

 

[Soverytired]

Oh I would have called the CP if I knew about it -- especially since it was the last turn on the pairing and we are so hard up on FA's that the flight would most likely have been cancelled.

I get what you're saying. You want a "black and white" answer to the question: "Is the captain responsible to check that every crewmember is adequately rested and legal to fly?"

I don't have that answer, because it's deliberately "gray". Certainly, if a FA brings it to your attention, you'd better stop everything and get a definitive answer. Otherwise, incorporating it into your crew briefing ("Everyone is legal and ready, right?) probably would cover it.

Oh . . . who cares if a flight gets canceled due to a shortage of FA's? That's the company's problem, not yours. Your ticket isn't worth looking the other way "just this once."

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Might want to fix the contradiction in your stereotype there, PBR. Do you really think any 20-something, Oakley wearing, iPod sporting, gel haired pilot is going to know who Debbie Gibson is, let alone listen to her?

Therein lies the conundrum, of the scenario. Anyone who does all of the above would most likely listen to something like Debbie Gibson.
Still good for yuks though!
PBR