Quality of ride along part 91 Time (C-402)

[Fox-Tree]

No, don't need to be to log 91 legs.

I've only been logging the empty legs back, too bad they are only about 1.0-1.2hr ea. Oh well, too much ride-along time is bad too.

Sorry - I'm not real familiar with this concept.

You're riding along in the right seat of a 402 while another pilot flies and you're logging the time?

 

[troy]

Sorry - I'm not real familiar with this concept.

You're riding along in the right seat of a 402 while another pilot flies and you're logging the time?

No, flying from the right, usually. Insurance deal.

 

[Fox-Tree]

No, flying from the right, usually. Insurance deal.

What kind of time are you logging this as?

If you're logging PIC as sole manipulator, does that mean the other pilot is not? (pretty nice of him if that's the case).

 

[av8rbama]

What kind of time are you logging this as?

If you're logging PIC as sole manipulator, does that mean the other pilot is not? (pretty nice of him if that's the case).

I do the same thing around here... 402, 414, and 421. Of course, it's just ride-alongs on otherwise single-pilot trips. I fly & log empty legs (from right-seat due to insurance), he flies and logs w/ pax. He's got enough hours to choke a horse and is happy to have some company that will talk shop with him.

 

[troy]

What kind of time are you logging this as?

If you're logging PIC as sole manipulator, does that mean the other pilot is not? (pretty nice of him if that's the case).

correct!

 

[Fox-Tree]

I've been riding along with our freight departments' 402's and logging the 91 legs that I fly. Any input on this? I'm looking from a future interview standpoint. thanks for the input.

Now that I have the facts straight - to answer your question about future interviews......

If you're hoping to eventually get one with Fedex or any other major, I'd put a big asterix next to all that time for them. Don't try to pass it off as anything other than it is. Most don't consider that PIC because you weren't the one signing for the aircraft and responsible for its operation.

Since it's not turbine time, it's not going to fill their PIC requirements anyway so it's not worth getting into a "misunderstanding" over it. Just be honest about what you were doing/how much you learned and they'll probably like your dedication. JMO

 

[troy]

Now that I have the facts straight - to answer your question about future interviews......

If you're hoping to eventually get one with Fedex or any other major, I'd put a big asterix next to all that time for them. Don't try to pass it off as anything other than it is. Most don't consider that PIC because you weren't the one signing for the aircraft and responsible for its operation.

Since it's not turbine time, it's not going to fill their PIC requirements anyway so it's not worth getting into a "misunderstanding" over it. Just be honest about what you were doing/how much you learned and they'll probably like your dedication. JMO

Thanks, I am remarking the flight number, that it was part 91, and the captain's name. I hope that's enough.

 

[Fox-Tree]

Thanks, I am remarking the flight number, that it was part 91, and the captain's name. I hope that's enough.

One other thing that just occurred to me....

Does the aircraft owner/company management or insurance company know you're on board and flying the aircraft?

Since you mentioned flying in the left seat was an insurance issue, I could see an interviewer asking something like that. Then they follow up with.... If they won't let you fly from the left, why would they let you fly from the right? or, turn it into an integrity issue - Do you think it was okay to fly the aircraft without the knowledge of the insurance company?

 

[Joshrk22]

May I ask what company this is for? I'm just curious because I'm wondering if they'd let a student pilot ride along(not fly or log time) just for the experience and the love of aviation. What do you think? And, how do you know an air carrier is Part 91?

 

[troy]

One other thing that just occurred to me....

Does the aircraft owner/company management or insurance company know you're on board and flying the aircraft?

Since you mentioned flying in the left seat was an insurance issue, I could see an interviewer asking something like that. Then they follow up with.... If they won't let you fly from the left, why would they let you fly from the right? or, turn it into an integrity issue - Do you think it was okay to fly the aircraft without the knowledge of the insurance company?

It's been brought up to the owners/CEO's about the left/right seat deal. We used to be able to ride left. We've been cleared to ride right via CEO's and the CP. Not sure about the ins company, I've just cleared it as far as I need to cover my butt.

 

[troy]

May I ask what company this is for? I'm just curious because I'm wondering if they'd let a student pilot ride along(not fly or log time) just for the experience and the love of aviation. What do you think? And, how do you know an air carrier is Part 91?

Dont matter, one must be an employee to ride along anyway. Sorry.

If you are employeed with an FBO, find out if they have empty legs on charters/frieght runs. All other legs are 135. They might let one ride along. Not sure, though.