Puulleeazzzz!!!

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Puuulllleeeeeaaaaazzzzzz!!!!!

Learjet Captain (24,25,35)
Company: U. S. JETS, INCProduct/Service: Location: Memphis-based Required Travel: None Job Type: Full-timeEmployment Type: Permanent
Description: U. S. Jets has an immediate need for a Memphis-based Learjet Captain to fly 4 nights/week in the Federal Reserve System, approximately 3.5 hrs/night. Starting salary is $28,000/yr and individual will pay for all training costs, which will be reimbursed by the company at the rate of 1/12 per month for 12 months. Qualified applicants should fax their resumes. No phone calls please.


Saw this the other day and disturbed by the possibility that many are actually pursuing employment under this arrangement being as that it has yet to be flamed.

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[PilotAg]

WOW!

 

[slickmagneto]

Perhaps these people did not get the memo on the revolving FAX!

 

[varicam]

I don't like it either, but it's somewhat different from PFT; it's just another form of training contract. Since many companies have been burned by the unenforcability of typical training contracts, they work out a deal with a bank to reduce their risk. The bank gives a 12-month loan to the pilot for a sum equal to the training costs and the pilot signs over the check to the company or training center. As long as the pilot is on the payroll, the company makes the payments. If the pilot leaves before 12 months, he/she is responsible for making the remaining payments. If the pilot leaves and doesn't make the payments, it's like reneging on any other unsecured loan, except the company is usually liable as the co-signer.

 

[labbats]

It's no different that a one-year commitment, where you pay if you leave early.

 

[slickmagneto]

The training contract is not the issue as is the salary of $28,000 to fly PIC of any turbine airplane.

 

[varicam]

The training contract is not the issue as is the salary of $28,000 to fly PIC of any turbine airplane.

It's just a matter of supply and demand.

 

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Supply and Demand?

This is a resigned and disappointing attitude.

Thank you Slick for pointing out one facet of my reason to call attention to the ad.

First, $28K is not what you take home after taxes and THEIR TRAINING CONTRACT. This salary is nowhere in sight of any of the Low wages reported to ProPilot Mag's 2003 Salary Study that is barely 3 months old!!!:::
-A Corporate Lear Captain REPORTED MINUMUM take home (after taxes) is $39K for 25 Series and $57k for 35 Series for 2003
-For Cargo ops you SHOULD EXPECT AT LEAST $40k per year in the bank after taxes

Second, there is no mention of a type rating or current 8410. Obviously they are aware that no PROFESSIONAL will go to work for them at that pay and under this contract agreement. So they are apparently looking for a schmoe to send to a cut-rate simulator school to get a fire-hose feed of Lear systems and ops and a cracker-jack type rating. I would bet the 8410 is done in the aircraft by a company check airman.

I don't know why we sit here and rip, flame and pulverize Mesa, Freedom and Republic type companies while allowing these folks to go unscathed with the exact same tactics just because they are on a smaller scale. This behavior is just as unacceptable and has the same affect on the industry as a whole.

As a business owner and operator, I would be disrespecting my employees by showing them of little value and confidence to the company by paying that ridiculous amount for the expectations I would have; don’t bend, crash, abuse my airplanes, use company established profiles and procedures, be efficient and on time. There is a growing consensus out there raping aviation at whatever cost. I have been a victim of other companies taking business without profit and at considerable expense just to get the contract. There is no way in “H” “E” double hock sticks they can cover costs much less turn a profit on some of my customers for less than I was able to keep a little fo myself. But, they sure try; they turn around and stick it to the people that [try] make their business work. Eventually they will die [the companies] and all the people will be looking for jobs and people like me will never bother to call on resumes with a history that includes working at these establishments for this kind of pay. You cannot put new wine into old wineskins. It only takes one rotten apple to spoil the barrel.

A whole separate argument can ensue from this point with regard to qualifications and experience to fly a 400 Knott aircraft. As I said before, no Current and Qualified Professional will assume that post in that aircraft for that amount of money. This means that the captain will be 3-4k total time with 1,000 multi and 500 turbine (King Air) with only 1,500 PIC after 30 hours in type under 135 with an FO somewhere between 2k and 3k total and 500 Multi. This flight crew will be shooting approaches over my house in minimal weather conditions throughout the NE, oh and just in time for winter! WOOHOO!! Also, the company allows Cat I ILS’s with 800 RVR. Sleep well Memphis, Columbus and Teterboro US JETS is rocking now!!

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[labbats]

I try not to get so worked up about it. These same rip off artists will be remembered for their foul deeds when the economy rights itself.

Anyone lacking the poor foresight to see what the writing on the wall says about a job like this deserves it. Let some chump hire aboard, who cares? It's a no win situation. The company will get someone who is unprofessional, and the pilot will get shoddy maintenence and most likely a boss who knows nothing about aviation except how to skim a buck off of it. Next thing you know, the pilot is going below minimums in a plane that didn't get 20 different things fixed because legally they didn't have to, and it saved the owner some $. Every industry has the bottom of the barrel, don't get too focused on ours, it's not worth bothering with.