Put up or Shut up!

[Kmedchill]

I think its funny how this board has degraded into peoples personal attacks on each other or another airline. It seems everyone with 1500 hrs in a 152 or duchess has an opinion on what a piece of crap everyone else in this industry is. This thing is just getting down right stupid now. It also blows me away how everyone who has worked at a regional in the right seat for a year or two is now a expert on airline econ. You guys are all tards. So bring it folks...

 

[cocknbull]

Eddie, thank you for pointing out my typos. After rereading my posts a can see I misused even more words then you pointed out. I can see C150Heavy's point, and I agree about the jumpseat. However he made very combative statements.

C150 Heavy (quote)
"Since Mesa signed its new contract several members on this web board have expressed their discontent with Mesa pilots. Some of the arguments against them range from the absurd to the intellectually incapacitated. I would encourage those of you that are banning Mesa pilots from your jump seat to post your name, hire date and company name so that Mesa pilots will know you for who you really are. You ask, what are you? You are inconsiderate, uneducated individual that have no clue what you are talking about. Amazing the arrogance of some of you, so let's see Whiskey Driver, Captjim, Mckpickle, DarnNearJet, Ace, Asarjfo, CRJDriver and Terryhfly post your names for the Mesa boys."

Second Post
"We don’t need more low mentality; kiss Alpa time pilots like you"

I simply wanted to point out that he might want to rethink it, when he posts something like that. I would say there are alot of ALPA members on this board.

C150Heavy (Quote)
"We don’t need more low mentality; kiss Alpa time pilots like you"

C150Heavy
The funny thing about your statement is I work for two Republican Congressman and I was the president of my university's chapter of the College Republicans. So if you think I kiss unions @ss, your dead wrong. However, Pilots are not your average labor group. We should be represented as a group!! To be a complete right wing pro management person is to have your head up your @ss just like being a radical ALPA member. I think you will find that I have no problem with Mesa pilots. I, like many others, feel that their contract let the industry down. As a result there are going to be many pilots who are upset with Mesa pilots for not holding out. I think they not only have a right to do that, but they should. Even over 100 Mesa pilots feel that this new contract is not in their best interest. If I may give you a humble suggestion. If you are trying to pursaude people to do something you should ask them in a gentlemanly fashion. If you come right out and blow up at them the only thing you will get in return is alot of yelling. Also if you go to an interview with an ALPA airline do not let them know how anti ALPA you are.

Wait a minute since you want others to post there names. Why don't you post your name so everyone on this board can blackball you from ALPA airlines since you have made it clear that anyone who enjoys the protection ALPA is of "low mentality."

CocknBull

 

[terryhfly]

C150Heavy
<You ask, what are you? You are inconsiderate, uneducated individual that have no clue what you are talking about.>


C150Heavy,

I see that you are a MEI, that's great. We all had to start somewhere. Your next step (maybe, I don't know what you are planning to do) is getting a job flying for a regional airline. Say you get hired at XYZ things are good until that company go under because you were underbid by ABC airlines. That SUCKS. You then get hired at a respected national airline and things are GREAT. Along comes Mesa airlines that signs a contract way below what your own company worked hard to get. Two days after they sign the contract your management troughs the Mesa contract in your face saying that we have to lower our costs to compete. I bet a million dollars (that I don't have) that would piss you off. After you go through this or have some experience with the airlines I will respect what you have to say. YOU need to know what you are talking about. There is a big difference between flight instruction and airline flying. Now, if I have got you all wrong I do apologize.

Am I happy that Mesa agreed to this contract? No. I don’t work for Mesa so I don’t know the whole story but I have read the contract. Do I want to start a jumpseat war? NO. Will I take a Mesa pilot jumpseater? The pilots that voted no, YES. The others would have to explain why they voted yes. I would say my peace and off we would go (jumpseater included).

Terryhfly

 

[C150Heavy]

CRJDriver,
Did you say this? I believe so.

Quote
"You moron, the leverage is, SHUT THE MOTHER FUKER DOWN, but you guys were to afraid. Have fun in the right seat of the RJ for the next 10 years".

Look, Terry you made my point. Everyone on this board or in this industry needs to focus on their own situation and stop blaming others. There is a new breed of pilots who have gotten into the industry who are 28+ years old. We have experienced budget cuts, layoffs, decreases in pay and a lot of other unfortunate circumstances. So for someone to point out that because I only have 1600+ hours and I don't have a regional job, then I can't have an intelligent opinion about the jump seat issue or someone posting an ignorant statement is arrogant.

CocknB.S.

You and everyone else I called out at the top said you wouldn't give a Mesa pilot a jump seat. That to me means you’re a toe the line union soldier.

 

[Jetscream32]

Jumpseat denial

I know this is a whole other thread but it will fit in here as well.

Are all of you that plan on limiting the jumpseat to those at Mesa who voted no aware of the fact that there are going to be over 200 pilots that didn't get a chance to vote. Yes, those of us at CCair (now MESA pilots) may need a ride to work sometime in the near future. What do you say to all of us? We held the line and were shut down and now are part of MAG. Can I ride or since I can't prove I voted no count against me?

 

[CRJDriver]

C150Heavy

OMG!!!! I never said ANYTHING like that!!!!

Like I said - CHECK the CORRECT board name!!!!!! Are you sure it was not posted by CRJ Driver. NOTICE the space between CRJ and Driver!!!!I have NO SPACE - CRJDriver!

Check your facts!

 

[C150Heavy]

I stand corrected, it's CRJ Driver

 

[cocknbull]

C150Heavy

I never said I would refuse a jumpseat to Mesa pilots. In fact I don't think it is professional to do so. So we can agree on that. However most of the people you called out have a right to do what they feel is right. They also have made many strong points that point out weaknesses in the Mesa pilot group that directly threaten their livelihoods. As a result their opinions matter, more so than yours. Furthermore what have I said that is B.S? From what I have read on this thread the only one full of $hit is you. So far you have called people names, and accused people of saying things they didn't.

I was not replying to your issues on jumpseats. I was replying to the unprofessional matter in which you did it and this statement.
"Some of the arguments against them range from the absurd to the intellectually incapacitated" (C150HEAVY)

Jetscream32

I hope no one ever refuses a "Carolina" pilot a jumpseat.

 

[Jetscream32]

GO OUTSIDE

C150Heavy,

It's a nice day, go outside and get some fresh air!!!!!

 

[I.P. Freley]

"Say you get hired at XYZ things are good until that company go under because you were underbid by ABC airlines. That SUCKS. You then get hired at a respected national airline and things are GREAT. Along comes Mesa airlines that signs a contract way below what your own company worked hard to get. Two days after they sign the contract your management troughs the Mesa contract in your face saying that we have to lower our costs to compete. I bet a million dollars (that I don't have) that would piss you off. "

I bet you it would, too.

But I am also a realist and recognize that business is business, and there's always going to be someone who will undercut your bargaining position. I would, frankly, look at it along the lines of "that's life", not "what a bunch of rotten stinkers they are over at Mesa."

 

[AirBoard]

cocknbull-

looser is an adjective, I think you meant loser

their and there are not the same word,

know and no are different also

You got him there, thier, ther.... of forget it. Trying to get your digs on someone on this board by attacking their grammar and spelling is lame. This isn't English class! Now hurry up, you've got 10,000 other posts to start correcting. Get to the point!

 

[WSurf]

I am a Pilot with Piedmont Airlines, Even though I can't believe that Mesa didn't have the balls to Turn down there first TA(thought first one is always turned down) they are the ones that will live with this for the next 5-7 years. Many of Mesa F/O's are young 500-1000hr pilots that just think is awesome to be flying a RJ. Wait till they realize that they aren't getting hired by a major for 5-7 years if even then. And the RJ isn't that cool anymore, and everyone else is make more money then me flying the same RJ. To live with that contract will not be pretty. Our Flight Attendants at Piedmont, before there contract was re-done due to Chapter 11 made more money then Mesa FO's. Even though at the time our FAs start at 17.00hr, and Mesa FO's made more per hr. Their work rules killed them. Our flight crews can avg. around 110hrs or more pay credit a month. And yes, I have talk to Mesa FO's that couldn't believe that our FA's made more a month.
Even when Mesa Bougt CCAir, their Capts and FO's on the Jetstream31's were make more money then the the Crews flying the RJ's at Mesa..... AND THEY WERE MAKING MONEY AS A COMPANY, until Mesa bought them.
In a strange way I feel sorry for the MESA guys, I respect 179 that voted no. I think JO's hiring practices (many low timers) was a smart move on his part. Hopefully that won't bit him in the future, like the ROA incident. Remember??? 'Go around is no option'.
Not sure where I am going with this, I just think that MESA had a lot more leverage then they thought with JO. Hope you enjoy your new contract, and enjoy the fact that every other regional airline will not have one ounce of respect for you.

 

[asarjfo]

C150,

Please tell me when I EVER said that I would not let Mesa on the jumpseat. I DID express displeasure for the poor contract that Mesa pilots seem to embrace, but that is my OPINION and I am entitled to it. The bottom line is you are the ones who have to live with it for the next 5 years......so more power to you. I think the fact that we are currently in negotiations gives me the right to voice my opinion.

One last thing, before you start making "intellectually incapcitated" posts you should take the time to read what others are writing.

Mesa pilots are always welcome on the "my" jumpseat, commuting these days is hard enough.

Good Day!
ASARJFO <-------note the FO......not MY jumpseat to deny in the first place

Since Mesa signed its new contract several members on this web board have expressed their discontent with Mesa pilots. Some of the arguments against them range from the absurd to the intellectually incapacitated. I would encourage those of you that are banning Mesa pilots from your jump seat to post your name, hire date and company name so that Mesa pilots will know you for who you really are. You ask, what are you? You are inconsiderate, uneducated individual that have no clue what you are talking about. Amazing the arrogance of some of you, so let's see Whiskey Driver, Captjim, Mckpickle, DarnNearJet, Ace, Asarjfo, CRJDriver and Terryhfly post your names for the Mesa boys.

PS. I don't work for Mesa!

DID

 

[maddog805]

Amazing the arrogance of some of you, so let's see Whiskey Driver, Captjim, Mckpickle, DarnNearJet, Ace, Asarjfo, CRJDriver and Terryhfly post your names for the Mesa boys.

PS. I don't work for Mesa!

Hey I bashed Mesa a few times.....

The ONLY reason I will deny a Mesa jumpseater is because their management banned us. Don't like it, FIX it.

 

[asarjfo]

I sent a Private Message to the almighty C150 and asked him when I EVER said I would deny a Mesa pilot the jumpseat. I guess my comment of "your contribution wouldn't be forgotten" translates into something about denying the jumpseat in your "advanced" language.

I did "read my own writing" and still can find nothing. Thanks for the excellent posts! Get your facts straight next time!!!

I am also having a hard time finding all the people you are jumping on board your side of the argument that is OK to put words in other peoples mouths. Just because you PVT student agrees with you.......don't go and get a big head on us!!!!


THIS IS C150s EXCELLENT RESPONSE

"Read you own writing!

You said, "Your contribution wouldn't be forgotten". That sounds like a threat. That is way you got called out and a whole lot of people agree with me. You make a threat and then hide. Read your own stuff! Don't get pissed because I called you out. If you’re going to make threats then you have to expect that.

See ya

C150