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[flightinst]

Anybody know whats going on at PSA? I heard they are hiring, but what about the situation at US Air? If you guys had a chance would you take the job?

 

[328dude]

I would. I don't believe that US is going anywhere soon.

No matter what airline you go to with the exception of the LCC's, things are about the same.

If you need 121 experience, i wouldn't pass it up.

 

[PalmettoPilot]

It's a Gamble

PSA is interviewing now to staff aircraft they were supposed to be getting since last September. The deliveries were held up for a couple of months after USA filed CH 11. They are supposed to be (or have already) resumed in January '05.

44 PSA pilots were furloughed in September '04, all were new hires, some were still in class. Some of them did not return, leaving a few more open seats.

If you don't have any other offers PSA would be better than a cfi job. If you're leaving a 135 where you're getting multi-engine time I would be careful. At the very least don't burn any bridges. If you're leaving another 121 carrier I would think seriously about going to PSA right now.

If you have other 121 offers I would probably consider them first.

 

[svcta]

Ahh, rationalization from the folks that jumped off the boat! Just kidding(kind of).

Things have fallen nicely in to place for Airways in the last few weeks. They've bought themselves a nice chunk of time to get some things together and stay afloat. Let's also not remember who was the only legacy carrier to post a profit in any quarter of '04. I think that ASA and CMR are on equally shaky ground right now with Delta undergoing some serious shtuff right now, and anyone who denies that has their head in the sand. Not to mention the hatred that mgmt and the pilots seem to have for each other @ ASA. What's the latest with the jets between CMR ASA and CHQ, by the way? I haven't been keeping up. At least the people at PSA all like each other by and large.

Back to the point: All the furloughs are back on property @ PSA, and there is a new-hire class that started last week, and 2 more to come in Jan(at this point). We're getting 9 more 701s and supposed to be getting 3 more now that the latest agreement was inked with GE. It's not all doomy and gloomy. PSA is a profitable airline in its own right, as well, so there is a market for it fully intact in a worst-case situation.

The fact is that nobody knows who's going to be here in the morning, and I could be spewing bullsh!t all over the place. But, even if you only made it through training, 121 SIC qualification is nice to have on the old resume. You also have to remember that I'm a complete idiot, and that I'm probably drunk right now. I mean, it's almost 2 in the afternoon!

Good luck.

 

[DorkProp]

Just a brief clarification on 701 orders...

We are slated to receive nine 701s in Feb. and Mar. Six are a result of the GE financing deal announced in December. The three additional are orders we were going to receive anyway, even before the GE announcement was made. The total is still nine, not nine plus three. This information directly from Dir. of Ops.

 

[svcta]

Thought I saw something recently(last week) that GE gave more $$ for 3 EMB170s and 3 701s. Maybe not.

 

[CRJDog]

Well what I have heard is that there were more considerable orders inthe works. MDA was only going to receive the remaining ERJ-170's thatwere already built and that is it, no more for MDA. The remaining wouldbe CRJ-701's and possible 900's. There was another rumor floatingaround that up to 5 900's were already painted in our colors.

Of course this is mere speculation.

 

[WSurf]

And now a rumor that PDT and PSA are gonna merge into one company. Anyone else hear this?

 

[LearLove]

And now a rumor that PDT and PSA are gonna merge into one company. Anyone else hear this?

The ex pres. of ALG who went to PDT is now over at PSA.

 

[dollacrackho]

i heard psa is in negotiations with the government to make prostitution legal on all their flights. Has anyone else heard these rumors or was it just me?

 

[OPECJet]

PDT and PSA? Haven't heard that one, but I doubt it.

 

[M&Maviation]

I noticed that they are hiring ground instructors on their website. I would think that the training department would be a stable enviornment to be at an airline.

Any comments?

 

[LaxPilot]

Billy-Ho stiring the pot again.

If PDT and PSA it would, in my view be a good thing. That could mean more revenue, more acft. and Airways goup could take back some of the flying that is out-sourced.

 

[WSurf]

I agree, if PDT keeps around a fleet of 60-80 Turboprops and PSA gets around the same number of RJ's (Also MDA with a Fleet of 80 EMB-170/190's 'suppose to be'). If MDA gets more A/C your gonna see more PDT people going over there (I think on the flow thru, we had guys with 2001 hire dates going to MDA). Once JetBlue gets there 190's your gonna see a bunch of MDA folks bailing over to JetBlue. Plus, dont forget that there is a large number of mainline guys between the ages of 55 and higher now. US Airways may just run into a maning problem in the near future. I think there is gonna be some fast movement in this company if it can make it. Even with that fleet of around 180 A/c I don't see much more need for as much Contracting of flying as there is.
Not even having to merge companies would be nice to maintain a fleet of aircraft like that.
The only thing I think was dumb is the fact of PSA getting 50 seat Jets, which will soon be making there way out. (aircraft just doesnt generate the revenue with this ticket prices anymore) I think US Airways missed the boat on that one. PSA should have gotten all 700/900's RJ's, and PDT should have gotten Q400's instead of 50 seat RJ's going to PSA! The Canadians where close to giving those Q400's away to Group, but they turned it down. I guess now with the fuel prices they wish they wouldnt have gotten about 20 of them. Seems everyone is rethinking TurboProps. But thats US Airways again, always on the outside looking in. Now that fleet would have generated some major profits for the company.

 

[WSurf]

Yo, Yo, Yo,

Shout out to my two Nizzles over there ------->B-Man, and the Poppa Frank!!!!



OMG, Franks a POPs!!!!!! Holy Shizzzzzzzzz Nit

 

[WSurf]

I think I lost all my Cuban Cigars!!!!!! Opps, Forgot can't have those in the great US of A!

 

[mamba20]

PSA is a company with amazing potential. The tough part is not knowing what its future is being owned by Airways. If things work out with mainline then your golden if you go to PSA. On the other hand if Airways folds who knows what can happen. Bottom line is that PSA is a money maker and companies that make money dont usually just go by the way side. Somebody would probably end up buying us. We are the dominant carrier in the airports that we fly into and the disappearance of PSA would lead to some pretty big holes in the system throughout the northeast.

Honestly I would apply and if your hired take the job. Worst case is that in 6 months you are back to where you are now only you'd have some 121 RJ experience under your belt.

 

[Beantown]

Bottom line is that PSA is a money maker and companies that make money dont usually just go by the way side.

How do you know that PSA makes a cent?

Somebody would probably end up buying us. We are the dominant carrier in the airports that we fly into and the disappearance of PSA would lead to some pretty big holes in the system throughout the northeast.

Your kidding right? Name one airport where PSA is the "doninant" carrier?

Honestly I would apply and if your hired take the job. Worst case is that in 6 months you are back to where you are now only you'd have some 121 RJ experience under your belt.

Good advice if you have nothing else lined up. -Bean

 

[watr1]

What up Billy Ho?!!!
Sup, Frankie's nutz??!!!

B

 

[mamba20]

How do I know that PSA makes a cent? Well I did my research and found that PSA does indeed make money (check out USAirways.com)

I can name a few airports where PSA is the dominant express carrier, how about Dayton, Burlington, Binghamptom, Knoxville?

Seeing as you seem so savy on this industry maybe you should do a little research

 

[Beantown]

How do I know that PSA makes a cent? Well I did my research and found that PSA does indeed make money (check out USAirways.com)

Please post your "RESEARCH" for all of us to see. What a joke.

I can name a few airports where PSA is the dominant express carrier, how about Dayton, Burlington, Binghamptom, Knoxville?

Do you seriously think that PSA dissapearing will effect any of these airports for more then two seconds? Not.

Get a grip. PSA will be long gone if U goes and that is just the way it is. Deal with it. -Bean

 

[mamba20]

Bean, have you always been a jerk or is it something you've worked at? Either way your good at it. Can you fly as well as you run your mouth?

 

[328dude]

Actually, Bean is a very good stick and have flown with him on more than one instance.

Granted, I don't always agree with him, However, I'm kinda of siding with him on this issue.

I'm glad your excited to be here and you probably haven't been here long based on your comment's, but a few more years and you won't care about how much money we make or dominant carriers. All you will care about is when they will finally get the bids right and not screw it up.

Hopefully, that day will come soon. Still waiting after 5 years.

 

[SELCAL checks]

Uh, how can you not be profitable when "Dad" is paying all your bills?

Aircraft lease payments, training costs, reservations, ticketing, ground handling, fuel, de-ice, customer service, etc, etc...

Wanna know what happens to your bottom line when you actually have to pay your own bills as a regional airline? Ask the folks over at Indy Air.

 

[WSurf]

True Dat!!!!!

Mamba20 you must be new! I am happy that you have made the leap to a regional airline pilot, and get to fly a new shiney RJ!! But like Dude said, all that will wear off in about 5 months or so! After being hosed by Schedul. working over X-Mas or Thanksgiving the next 3 years. Fighting to get you paycheck corrected! Then after you have gained all that worthy experience, having some other pilot ready to take you job for less money then you make!!!
Then you will wake up and figure out, that being an Airline pilot just aint as cool as what you thought it was going to be. All that money you spent on college and flying was kinda a waste. But now your stuck with us other poor ba$tards! We love your short term happiness howerer, it allows us to once again enjoy our job.
Uniform is cool, and people think you made 6 digits is cool (wait till people find out you only make 20k your first year)!!!!!!

But get out of aviation!!!! Are you Crazy!!!!!!!

Good Luck in this profession you have chosen! It gets better again after a few years!!! Once you can't feel the hands on your shoulders anymore, and a tiny voice saying bend over and STFU!

 

[LaxPilot]

Bottom line.... were all working and not on the streets. Then End!

Deezzzzz what?

Deezzzz who????

DEEEEEEEZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ NUTS !!!!!!!!!!

 

[mamba20]

So back to the original thread of should you work here or not? The down side is the massive amount of negativity that there is here. Maybe you should go corporate?

 

[328dude]

Your missing the point FNG. Were not negative, were just see the big picture. Most of us like it here and hope things work out, but it's not the saving grace you think it is to Airways.

I wouldn't discourage anyone from coming here. The guys and gals are great to fly with, you'll get a lot of experience like any other regional, and you'll have some fun....however, I won't mislead applicant's into thinking this is the best regional out there. We are far from that.

Who is the best regional by the way?

My only complaint is FNG's walking around with big heads, thinking they are still hot shat from Gulfstream and deserve the upgrade yesterday.

And one more thing, I haven't heard the rumor about a merger between Piedmont and PSA, but I wouldn't mind it especially for what those great guys and gals have been through the last few years.

All the love to Dash Drivers.

 

[KeroseneSnorter]

How do I know that PSA makes a cent? Well I did my research and found that PSA does indeed make money (check out USAirways.com)

I can name a few airports where PSA is the dominant express carrier, how about Dayton, Burlington, Binghamptom, Knoxville?

Seeing as you seem so savy on this industry maybe you should do a little research

Gotta go with the ex-dork drivers on this one. Having spent a good portion of my career in the USAir system both as a W/O guy and a dad, there is no way to seperate the two, and no way to figure out who is making money or not. Bottom line is that the entire group is near death. We are on life support in the form of govt. loans right now. If the govt. cuts us off tomorrow, we are all dead. PSA cannot survive with out U, passengers have no idea who you are. U cannot survive without the regionals to feed it. (face it, passengers barely know who USAirways is anymore!!!)

The other poster is correct, PSA inc.(Is it still Jetstream on the books?) does normally show a profit, but it is an illusion since U handles marketing, ticket sales, aircraft purchases(mostly), and has the brand recognition (whats left of it) But what is very important to remember, the quarterly reports say "USAirways Group" We are just like a bunch of siblings, we argue and fight among each other, but when it comes down to it, we all eat off of the same table! If Dad is losing his shirt, we all are. Will someone adopt PSA if dad grabs his chest and falls over? I am inclined to say no, since the creditors will probably already have other plans for the jets that PSA is currently flying. The airplanes are worth something, the pilots are a dime a dozen. But stranger things have happened.

As far as taking the job? Go for it, we know that USair will be around until June at least, they have gov't backing until then. If you get hired today, you will have at least 3 months on line after training to get some good 121 time in your log book. Just don't go out and buy a new car or anything silly like that.


P.S. Does TYS still have that fine prison cell sized crew room with the "annexed" airport chairs in it? or since you are now the "dominant carrier" in TYS have they upgraded you guys?

 

[Smoking Man]

annexed, I like your choice of words. I am sure the crew room looked the same last night when I left it as the last time you saw it.

As far as things go about who makes money etc, etc. Where the PSA guys say we make money comes from the 10-k and bankruptcy fillings, now if the info is correct or that is the way Mgt wanted it to look, who knows. However it was submitded under SEC and bankruptcy court rules so if the info was false and can be proven so, it is punishable by $$$$ or jail time.