Psa Washout??

[filejw]

Just a word to the wise.When you arrive for training or transition make sure your scan is up to speed.Most 121 programs are going to teach the a/c only.No time for IFR lessons.JW

 

[328dude]

I agree with FileJW.

Sorry it didn't work out for you or your partner Tarheel.

 

[chperplt]

Use your experience at PSA as a learning tool. Every airline has a different mindset when it comes to washing people out. Every airline has a different set of standards they wish to follow.

It may have cost the US Air group 30K in lost training, but they have to look at from a safety aspect. IF at sim lesson 11 you and your partner are not prepared for your check ride, a decision has to be made. If one more sim session would do the trick, many times you will get that additional sim session. If the person who gave you your 11th session didn't feel that was the case, it has to end somewhere.

Just because you failed out of a 121 training program doesn't mean you'll never get the opportunity again. Even in today's market, you'll get the chance. Be prepared to talk about it and don't blame PSA or the instructors. Take responsibility for lacking in whatever areas you were not proficient, and be the best at it next time.

Good luck to you!

 

[tarheel87]

Let a poor pilot buy the next round.

Thanks for the advice guys. I have accepted my performance level and I'm looking forward to Holidays with the family instead of the newly added quite room at PIT for hot reserve.
Speed is good, SHAKER is BAD.

Happy Holidays!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[350DRIVER]

tarheel87-
Sorry to hear about what has taken place, keep the faith and chalk this up as a learning experience I guess... I am sure you will have plenty of more chances in the future. The furloughed Airways 67/57 pilot joked around with me the other day while I was on a trip with him about how ( once again ) his training at Airways was a walk in the park compared to PSA.

There was a girl who flew a twin commander (part 91) that is kept near our charter fleet and she was supposebly in a "new hire" class at PSA, by any chance was this your sim partner.?? Just curious since no one has heard about how her training was goin.??

Can you be a little more specific about what had taken place which (in your opinion) was the problem.?? Bad instructor .?
too Intense.?? What really tripped you up and in your opinion was the "most" difficult part of the training.??

How were the 10 sessions broken down at PSA and also how did your partner do with regards to being a "good" partner for you.?? After investing $15,000 I would assume they would "offer" you another opportunity to pass the final sim ride and/or IF not what was there reasoning for sending you home and not giving you another chance.??

How was the systems training at PSA and what advice would YOU pass onto someone who is going to ground school and sim training at PSA.??

I am curious since I am considering PSA "possibly" for early next year..

Once again, I am sorry to hear about your fate and outcome BUT keep your head UP since many good pilots have had there "bad" days and you will have plenty of GOOD days ahead of you in this stubborn industry,


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[MLS]

If the washout rate or the way they treat you after multiple sim sessions is like you say, then the bottom line is they need to look at the way the teach.

It sounds to me like their training department is very shotty. Most airlines will go above and beyond to help you through, if you are motivated and have a good attitude. It is in their best interest to get you through. That washout rate is just plain absurd.

 

[Aviatorchic]

I understand that psa has a reputation. I went through training a few months back and agree that we did have to memorize a lot of useless information. But i do have to stick up for them when talking about 2nd chances. We had a guy who was given a bunch of extra sims ( even though his attitude sucked) and was even allowed to take his sim ride over a couple times. He never did make it through but he had more chances given than he probably deserved. So i guess decisions like that are made on an individual basis. Anyways I'm glad im at psa...good people and awesome plane....worth the work!

 

[DorkProp]

PSA training is indeed intense, but attitude goes a long way.

The subject of the two washouts in question came up recently. Now, since I do not know personally the two pilots involved, I can not say for certain that the information I am about to reproduce is true.

However, sources in the company led me to believe that the attitudes of the pilots in question had everything to do with their failure.

I will not be more specific in what I have heard since I can not verify the information. Suffice it to say that attitude is important to the PSA training department.

 

[Country Wild]

The PSA DO, I think is Rich Mandas, should talk to the DOT whom I belive is Brad Silverstein about their instructors. That sounds bad when an instructor isn't instructing you, but cutting you down constantly. just my .02 worth.

 

[Freight Dog]

When an airline has a high washout rate, I'd question its training department as well, not just the washouts.