PSA Upgrades???

[WSurf]

Curious if its true! Is PSA upgrading former PDT and ALG folks to Captain? Heard it, and wanted to know if there is any truth to the matter...

 

[Gofish]

Word on the street: The next J4J backfill upgrade class will contain MDA furloughs who came from PDT/ALG.

 

[nethan]

Already happening. Apparently 4 true APL and 6 CEL. What a great world we live in.

 

[FR8mastr]

All the pilots in the J4J class are APL pilots.

 

[Stuka Luva]

Curious if its true! Is PSA upgrading former PDT and ALG folks to Captain? Heard it, and wanted to know if there is any truth to the matter...

No matter what FR8master says...yes, it's true.

 

[FR8mastr]

No matter what FR8master says...yes, it's true.

Yes it is true there are former ALG and PDT pilots on the APL list. Only APL pilots can participate in J4J. So what is your point?

 

[B-J-J Fighter]

How would it take for a new hire to get CLT or TYS? About how long on reserve?

 

[trainer8]

Already happening. Apparently 4 true APL and 6 CEL. What a great world we live in.

All 10 are APL, regardless of their past employment. The PSA MEC has filed a grievance over the APL pilots who formerly worked for PDT being awarded the PSA August 7 Upgrade class, but the documentation for them being APL is especially strong. There are other factors in motion regarding the MDA Arbitration that will solidify the APL position.

T8

 

[Volasl]

Exactly what solid factors are those? The ones that stated that you flow back to your previous wholly owned?

 

[dollacrackho]

this whole thing makes me want to vomit. is there anyone else who wants to come to psa and jump in line ahead of us f/o's on food stamps. anyone, anyone??? come there must be somebody. lets find some other lists we can go through. maybe they'll change the age 60 rule and some mainliners will want to bang out a couple more years in the left seat. we'll take them too. heck why dont we just start hiring street captains while we're at it . i never really want to upgrade anyways. dont worry if you dont feel like coming to psa this time around i'm sure will go through the list about a zillion more times.
oh and flow through for us, yeah that doesnt exist its a one way street.

 

[Bdfg1]

this whole thing makes me want to vomit. is there anyone else who wants to come to psa and jump in line ahead of us f/o's on food stamps. anyone, anyone??? come there must be somebody. lets find some other lists we can go through. maybe they'll change the age 60 rule and some mainliners will want to bang out a couple more years in the left seat. we'll take them too. heck why dont we just start hiring street captains while we're at it . i never really want to upgrade anyways. dont worry if you dont feel like coming to psa this time around i'm sure will go through the list about a zillion more times.
oh and flow through for us, yeah that doesnt exist its a one way street.

Take it up with the MEC who signed off on the deal for PSA to get jets in the first place. Part of the deal ya know.

 

[lear24]

Take it up with the MEC who signed off on the deal for PSA to get jets in the first place. Part of the deal ya know.

I second that! You have no right to piss and moan about people coming in and stealing your upgrade. 1/2 of the seats belong to APL pilots, if there are any who want them. J4J sucks, sure, but it was accepted in the deal to the devil that your MEC made 4 years ago. Of course, if that deal wasn't made you'd be an FO in a DO 328 whining about wanting a jet and feeling some entitlement to the left seat because you've paid your dues for a few years (if that).

 

[meanstreak]

Back then the MEC ratified everything without a pilot vote. Good thing that SOB is back flying the line.

 

[Stuka Luva]

Yes it is true there are former ALG and PDT pilots on the APL list. Only APL pilots can participate in J4J. So what is your point?

You didn't answer the question, I did.

 

[PunchTheClown]

This place really sucks dosent it? Talk about no movement. We are supposed to upgrade some REAL PSA pilots in Nov. that will make it over a year since an upgrade class when through. Those of you thinking of applying here should be aware of that.

 

[Bdfg1]

We are supposed to upgrade some REAL PSA pilots in Nov. that will make it over a year since an upgrade class when through

HOLY COW OVER A WHOLE YEAR!!!!!

 

[WSurf]

PDT last one was 1.2 years also!!!

 

[trainer8]

Exactly what solid factors are those? The ones that stated that you flow back to your previous wholly owned?

No. That doesn't exist.

The solid fact that VP of Express BA and and U counsel JG testified under oath in August last year that MDA was US Airways. That fact alone has huge ramifications for AAA ALPA and APL.

PSA involvement in J4J mandates that they backfill any vacated position 100% with APL pilots and new positions with 50% with APL pilots. PSA MEC ST made the decision for his pilot group to participate in J4J. If you want to blame someone, blame your MEC. APL pilots are not to blame for PSA participation in J4J.

T8

T8

 

[slam_clicker]

So let me get this straight....

Piedmont/ALG/PSA pilots had the opportunity to choose a CEL preference either USAirways ONLY, MDA Only, or both.

Some people who wanted to be "USAIRWAYS only" bypassed a CEL position offerred at MDA.

Then, years later, it was determined that MDA is actually mainline USAirways; so by stroke of a pen the (CEL) MDA pilots become usairways mainline hires, retroactively.

I understand that the CEL individuals involved didn't create this mess and that they are trying to fix a lousy situation. I just can't help but wonder what happens to the CEL pilot who chose "USAirways only" who happens to be SENIOR to the backfill "mainline" CEL/usairways pilots?

It sure seems to me that those pilots were BYPASSED in a big way, right?

And what about the furloughed guys/gals who wanted to return to USAirways and believed that MDA was not mainline (as they were sold, I mean told) ?

This business is just unreal in its ability to screw employees over.

 

[PunchTheClown]

So let me get this straight....

Piedmont/ALG/PSA pilots had the opportunity to choose a CEL preference either USAirways ONLY, MDA Only, or both.

Some people who wanted to be "USAIRWAYS only" bypassed a CEL position offerred at MDA.

Then, years later, it was determined that MDA is actually mainline USAirways; so by stroke of a pen the (CEL) MDA pilots become usairways mainline hires, retroactively.

I understand that the CEL individuals involved didn't create this mess and that they are trying to fix a lousy situation. I just can't help but wonder what happens to the CEL pilot who chose "USAirways only" who happens to be SENIOR to the backfill "mainline" CEL/usairways pilots?

It sure seems to me that those pilots were BYPASSED in a big way, right?

And what about the furloughed guys/gals who wanted to return to USAirways and believed that MDA was not mainline (as they were sold, I mean told) ?

This business is just unreal in its ability to screw employees over.

Thats exactly why I'm trying my hardest to get out of it. Its not worth it in the least bit anymore and my family deserves better.

 

[LandRoverNut]

UPGRADE?? What is that, a friend at another airline talks about it, can we get this at PSA in our next contract or do we have to fly 900's for 35 seat pay to get this. I want this upgrade thing people keep talking about, the old lady needs a new car and a ring if I don't get her a ring she may leave me!

 

[LaxPilot]

I can deal with the ORGINAL pilots on the list accepting jobs here, but those PDT and ALG pilots who went to MDA, lets just say its my view that they (the PDT and ALG pilots) have no integrity, P.O.S., and a RATs ass below a SCABB !!!!!!!!

 

[Gofish]

Scab probably isn't the right word...that's pretty strong language.

 

[TWA Dude]

Then, years later, it was determined that MDA is actually mainline USAirways; so by stroke of a pen the (CEL) MDA pilots become usairways mainline hires, retroactively.

Be aware that this issue will be arbitrated as part of the AWA/USA integration (coming this winter). Suffice it to say there's still considerable disagreement as to the official status of the MDA pilots.

 

[Gofish]

I hear ya TWA...my only 2 cents is that it must be a two way street.

 

[trainer8]

I can deal with the ORGINAL pilots on the list accepting jobs here, but those PDT and ALG pilots who went to MDA, lets just say its my view that they (the PDT and ALG pilots) have no integrity, P.O.S., and a RATs ass below a SCABB !!!!!!!!

Tell, me Lax, what is it that drives you to resort to name calling and makes you call them scabs...or lower. Is it the J4J program and the accompanying LOAs that put SJs at PSA that your MEC agreed to? Or LCC management and AAA ALPA that says they're APL? Or the fact that former PDT/PSA pilots on the APL are US Airways Pilots? As Dr. Phil says, "Whats the pay off here?"

TWA, precident has been set. I will agree with you that the upcoming negotiations will be heated, but what is done is done. We will wait and see.

T8

 

[mamba20]

Upgrade? lol, thats rich! I think even if Jerks for My upgrade (short for "I'm a JJ and I'm better then god") went away right now I would still be like 5 years from upgrade and I've been here for well over 2 years now. What a mistake to come to PSA! This place is by far the worst place to work out there. At least at Mesa there is an upgrade.

 

[LaxPilot]

The fact of the matter is this T8, these individuals were at PDT for less than two years. They went to MDT to better the carrers. They got furloughed and back on the street. Now they are considered main line pilots and put onto the list. Big problem here. The orginal LOA was utilized from a list supplied by main line's MEC and did not have these individuals on it. Now that MDT is no more, they were place on it and main line ALPA forced PSA MEC to "accept" these individuals. A powerplay move. Now, they go to PSA as a Captain, by-passing 4 to 5 year First Officers. Even the TRUE J4J pilots at PSA are VERY bitter about this. Every pilot knows that this is unjust.

Tell me this T8, in this profession that we have chose, PROFESSIONAL morals, ethics and intergurity are paramount. That is why myself, the pilots at PSA are shall we say, a little ticked off about this. The PDT mgt and pilot group did not want these individual back on property as they knew that this was a scam.

I'm sorry that this affects you T8 but what is right is right. And this whole situation is wrong and stinks.


How about this T8. When the stock options were given out when the new LCC was formed, ZERO, NADA of the J4J pilots received anything. But, the MDT pilots received something. Do you think that is right, since the J4J pilots are still LCC employees with anywhre from 6 to 15 years at Main Line and the PDT pilots at MDA where at "Main Line" less than tow years?

 

[UncleRico]

We stood together once and we will stand together over this issue too. This is one we will win in arbitration. Just remember to fill out a grievance. Two hundred FO grievances and one MEC level grievance is a lot of pressure. And no I do not think the PDT and ALG pilots are APLers even by definition in my contract, because they never worked for US Airways and were never apart of the J4J agreement. Just because you were slapped on the bottom of the list after MDA went away does not mean you are/were Mainline and that the agreement was intended for you. Kinda hard to hire off the street while 1500+ guys are on the street furloughed. By the way where is the language and flow through agreement for PDT and ALG? Is it in an LOA or what?

Oh yes, and for the guys coming to PSA, I would like to say welcome to you. I know it is not your fault for this issue and I will not hold it against you. Yet, I will just ask now that we should agree to disagree over this topic and make the best of our trips together. See you on the line.

 

[Gofish]

It went to arbitration at Eagle too. Eagle diddn't win. The APA did win.