PSA Commuting

[Hoodabundy]

Does it suck???? Live in PDX have an interview. Something tells me commuting from PDX is almost an impossibility. (no direct flights to CLT)

 

[mamba20]

Could be worse, could be better. The company offered us a slap in the face of a commuter policy and our union has told us not to sign up for it. So basically there is no commuter policy. You'll be on reserve forever (at least a year) as there is no growth here and very little attrition. We dont have a long and short call reserve system like most other regionals. Min call out is 1.5 hours so there is no way to sit at home. Due to this I think your QOL if you have a family would suck. I dont think there has even been an upgrade class since September. PDX is Portland right? Why not try Horizon or Skywest? You'll be miserable here if you commute from the west coast.

 

[Hoodabundy]

Thanks mamba

 

[BeCareful!]

Mamba is right about everything except the long/short call reserve: Long call is 1.5 hrs, Short call is "hot" reserve, which means sit around the airport and be ready to head to the gate.

Either way, Hoodabundy, PSA's work rules and scheduling are the most abusive I've ever worked under, and that's after 15 years in the industry with six years of previous regional airline work. Buyer beware, this place will work you to the bone, and suck much of your love of flying out of you. It's happened to almost every newhire I've flown with.

 

[mamba20]

Becareful,

Yeah your right, I meant long and short call as in like an 8 hour long call and a 2 hour short call. You know like an airline that gives a crap?

The management here is notorious for its mistreatment of employees and its flagrent contract violations. They dont seem to understand that if they worked with their employees we would all do a lot more to help the company. As it is, we are forced to do nothing more then what our contract allows us. If you do come here, know it by heart for they WILL try to violate it.

 

[Hoodabundy]

I see what your saying, but cant you say that about most regionals, they want to make sure that they get all of the $21 an hour they pay you and then some???? Seems to be a resounding theme. I was with Pinnacle for awhile and it was the same there. "Legal to start, legal to finish" mentality. I could cause more problems and go to MESA or ******jets,,nah just kiddin!!!

 

[PSAChiefPilots]

I see what your saying, but cant you say that about most regionals, they want to make sure that they get all of the $21 an hour they pay you and then some???? Seems to be a resounding theme. I was with Pinnacle for awhile and it was the same there. "Legal to start, legal to finish" mentality. I could cause more problems and go to MESA or ******jets,,nah just kiddin!!!

Mamba is just bitter because he didn't upgrade after 6 months, and yes you are right, it is the same everywhere. Unless you've been on the otherside of the fence, the grass may look greener but it all taste the same. Commuting from PDX would be miserable. And does any commuter have Long call short call reserve, please inform me of one, i would like to see there contract.

PSACPSP

 

[Hoodabundy]

Forgive me if I'm wrong but I thought Horizon and Eagle had airport reserve and home reserve.

 

[Hoodabundy]

[Commuting from PDX would be miserable.

PSACPSP[/quote]

Any idea how miserable, and is it flat out possible???

 

[nethan]

And does any commuter have Long call short call reserve, please inform me of one, i would like to see there contract.

PSACPSP

If you find one will you suggest they give it to us?:laugh:


XJet has a 10% 12 hour call out I think and AWAC has some 48 hour call outs.

PDX wouldn't be impossible, but unless you REALLY had a good reason for working at PSA and commuting to CLT (and I think new hires are going to DAY for a little bit now) I would look for something closer to home. To commute online, which is required by the commuter agreement which we may or may not end up accepting at some point in time, you would have to go through PHX or LAS and then to CLT which is going to get harder and harder to do as they integrate the flying more and more. Also, the way the more junior lines are set up they don't really favor commuting too much (early show, late finish). That is changing a little bit, but not on the weaker lines and definatly not for reserves. Scheduling seems to take perverse pleasure in giving commuters 5am hot reserve on their first day.

 

[Hoodabundy]

Thanks Nethan

 

[dingo222]

I work for colgan based at CHO and commuted from LAX thru PHX for about 6 months and it was a nightmare. MOst of the time I wound up taking HP to IAD. The flights to CLT were always full of nonrevs, and i even got bumped by a mainline, furloughed FA once. Not worth the hassle

 

[Alltheway]

Just got a call from these guys, for an interview next monday, how is the commute from chicago?

 

[EDUC8-or]

Commuting to PDX would be possible if you wanted to go home once or twice a month. Mainline is starting service to PDX soon, I'm not sure if that will be from PHL or CLT. The flights to SEA are usually pretty full as well as the flights to PHX and LAS. LAX is sometimes a little better.

Unless you really wanted to move, and I would advise against moving just for this company, I would look elsewhere.

For the person asking about Chicago, there are lots of flights on mainline to ORD every day, and those are usually pretty full. American Eagle runs the E-145 up there 2 or so times a day and United has a few CRJ's and a 737 once a day. You would have to factor in fact that ORD sucks, but I think you could probable manage that commute.

 

[EDUC8-or]

Oh yeah, and go Ducks!

 

[Hoodabundy]

Oh yeah, and go Ducks!

Thats ok I forgive you!!!

 

[Hoodabundy]

PSA CHiefs--

For those with interviews Mon and Tues,(19th&20th) what can we expect? 200, 701 -- CLT, DAY, TYS and possible class dates?

 

[PoorJetDriver]

Commuting to PDX would be possible if you wanted to go home once or twice a month. Mainline is starting service to PDX soon, I'm not sure if that will be from PHL or CLT. The flights to SEA are usually pretty full as well as the flights to PHX and LAS. LAX is sometimes a little better.

Mainline is starting PDX service from PHL on America West metal.

 

[PSAChiefPilots]

PSA CHiefs--

For those with interviews Mon and Tues,(19th&20th) what can we expect? 200, 701 -- CLT, DAY, TYS and possible class dates?

200 DAY unless everyone that wanted out of DAY got out, then 200 CLT.


We have a guy that commutes 3 legs from Walla Walla but he has 20 years seniority. 2 legs are offline. Commuting eats days off, simplify your life...move or take something closer to home.

Good Luck,
PSACPSP

 

[BeCareful!]

PSAChief -

Your comment about short/long makes me think that you feel it would somehow be unworkable. Is that the case? Because I think NOT. Our crack scheduling team knows damn well what trips need covering well in advance in most cases. Those of us on perpetual reserve know quite well that they hold out on notifying anyone until the very last minute so that they can keep their options open. Some of them have told me this. It's a real morale buster, and it's just one amongst the many items that PSA could do better in terms of team-building. I hate to put this into print, but PSA is about the only company I've ever worked for that does absolutely ZERO in terms of team building. Commuter policy? What a bad joke! Attendance policy? Screw that! Here: "sign this letter saying you've read and understand the employee handbook even though it's not part of your contract." F%%% that!!!!!!!!!! Management (and I know that barely includes you due to the way they have it structured.....I'm referring to the boyz above you) has only done things to foster distrust and animosity since I've been here. Add to that the fact that they let scheduling run the crews ragged and you have a recipe for a very unhappy workforce.

Hoodabundy, quite frankly I think you have a few regionals out there on your side of the Mississippi that are quite a bit different. As I've said, I've been at a lot of airlines, and I've never been treated so harshly as I have here. I'm not whining....I'm here by choice. I'm just being honest, and I wish you the best in landing a job that will not only build your career, but one that you will enjoy along the way. Lot's of guys here are so bitter, so used up, that I fear when they interview at the major of their choice they just won't be able to hide it. This place has made more than one good man or woman hate the flying game. Be careful (!) to not let this happen to you!

 

[mamba20]

Be careful for president!

 

[PSAChiefPilots]

PSAChief -

Your comment about short/long makes me think that you feel it would somehow be unworkable. Is that the case? Because I think NOT. Our crack scheduling team knows dang well what trips need covering well in advance in most cases. Those of us on perpetual reserve know quite well that they hold out on notifying anyone until the very last minute so that they can keep their options open. Some of them have told me this. It's a real morale buster, and it's just one amongst the many items that PSA could do better in terms of team-building. I hate to put this into print, but PSA is about the only company I've ever worked for that does absolutely ZERO in terms of team building. Commuter policy? What a bad joke! Attendance policy? Screw that! Here: "sign this letter saying you've read and understand the employee handbook even though it's not part of your contract." F%%% that!!!!!!!!!! Management (and I know that barely includes you due to the way they have it structured.....I'm referring to the boyz above you) has only done things to foster distrust and animosity since I've been here. Add to that the fact that they let scheduling run the crews ragged and you have a recipe for a very unhappy workforce.

Hoodabundy, quite frankly I think you have a few regionals out there on your side of the Mississippi that are quite a bit different. As I've said, I've been at a lot of airlines, and I've never been treated so harshly as I have here. I'm not whining....I'm here by choice. I'm just being honest, and I wish you the best in landing a job that will not only build your career, but one that you will enjoy along the way. Lot's of guys here are so bitter, so used up, that I fear when they interview at the major of their choice they just won't be able to hide it. This place has made more than one good man or woman hate the flying game. Be careful (!) to not let this happen to you!

I never said it wasn't possible, I just asked which Commuter had it, I've never heard of any commuter having it. I agree with some of your statements but I don't have all your "Worldliness" of working for so many Airlines. After 11 years, you get numb to it.

Aren't you on Medical leave, Now am I going to have to hear you on here non-stop. Enjoy your time off and under the circumstances I doubt it's enjoyable...I'll have a beating for you when you get back. (And thanks for not recognizing that it doesn't come from here, Unfortunately everybody doesn't get it!)

I indirectly gave him my opinion, he can take it for what it's worth.

Later,
PSACPSP

 

[Weasil]

I never said it wasn't possible, I just asked which Commuter had it, I've never heard of any commuter having it.

Later,
PSACPSP

Hey SP,
We have long call reserve at ExpressJet. 12 hour min callout time. If you want I can send you the contract.

 

[ThrottleJockey1]

Crickets-Crickets

Crickets-Crickets

 

[PSAChiefPilots]

Hey SP,
We have long call reserve at ExpressJet. 12 hour min callout time. If you want I can send you the contract.

I'm glad the grass is greener overthere, you have my e-mail address Right?
PSACPSP

 

[IronWalt]

Gentlemen,

Why in the blazes would anyone try to commute on reserve. That is a miserable life. Even doing that at the majors is asking for trouble. Dont do it. Move into base if they give you a stable base. Capishe??

 

[mamba20]

Is there such a thing as a stable base?

 

[IronWalt]

The choices you made yesterday determined where you are today. Learn from it.

 

[ThrottleJockey1]

And then look to tomorrow

Just because you commute for reserve, doesn't mean that will be the way thing will always be. I, as most crew members will endure commuting to reserve as long as becoming a line holder is in the near future. Knowing who I am speaking of, I tip my hat to anybody who will take a step to the bottom of a seniority list to make a better life for his family. What might be considered a lateral move is actually an improvement over PSA.

 

[IronWalt]

You know, If I were you I would seek out a flying opportunity in the NorthWest some where. I can not imagine leaving that beautiful region to go work in an armpit like Philly or Pittsburgh.

Geeze man, Skywest AND Horizon are both hiring now. If you can't get on there quickly then go find a king air job or something.