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Provo Municipal is a mid air waiting to happen

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Jafar

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So I'm trying to finish up my rating down here and it's nuts. They have a tower but it isn't staffed yet so it's a total free for all. I was flying down there when Sundance was going on and all the John Travolta jets were buzzing in from all directions, calling on ILS from ten miles then you'd hear from them again when they cleared the active.

It's crazy. Anyone else have any experiences down here? Katanas just following each other around the pattern with 1000 feet of seperation and everyone else trying not to bump into each other.

Madness.
 
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With UVSC program being so big plus other flight schools its a mess but adding Sundance it terrible.They are putting a tower in but it won't be ready for a few years.Are you from Utah?
 
Provo is pretty freightening, especially now that UVSC is using Katanas--the flying mosquito. Summer is pretty ugly. Bountiful, or Toole is a lot less crowded.
Good luck and don't crash.
 
I instruct out of G&B, at Bountiful Skypark.
It's a pretty good school. Last year we produced more private pilots than other other school along the wasatch front.
 
I was down at PVU a few months ago and I couldn't believe the traffic. Not to mention some intructor who was calling himself "Evolution 123". I didn't realize what an Evolution was until I got on the ground and saw it painted on the side of a Katana. This fool needs to stop thinking "big" and just call himself a Katana so us folks know what to look for! Thankfully there were some nice folks in the pattern who realized I was a "tad" faster and let me get in on the ILS.
 
My school has TCAS in the planes, it got so crazy when I went solo there that I had to turn it off! The girl who was following me in with a second plane started freakig out, I had to talk her down. GOOD TIMES

Only place I've flown with crazier airspace is Compton California, as in "Straight outta compton a young n++++ named ice cube!"

theres some crazy stuff!
 
Another thing about this freak fest. They have only one active runway. It doesn't matter what the wind is doing, where the sun is at, how the planets are aligned or anything else. It's 13 or nothing. Forget about 31, 18 and 36. They are strictly for aesthetic purposes. Forget it about it if you're in some tail wind critical Lear or something. Winds could be 310 at 10 and we'll still be using 13.

I can't wait for the tower...
 
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Jafar said:
They have only one active runway. It doesn't matter what the wind is doing, where the sun is at, how the planets are aligned or anything else. It's 13 or nothing. Forget about 31, 18 and 36. They are strictly for aesthetic purposes. Forget it about it if you're in some tail wind critical Lear or something. Winds could be 310 at 10 and we'll still be using 13.

Yeah, that's pretty much any uncontrolled airport for ya. You ought to hear how grouchy the folks in the pattern at our local uncontrolled get when you try to use something other than 32 even though winds are favoring the crosswind runway. Not only that, but there are about a zillion different uncontrolled airports on the same CTAF, and they are all pretty busy, and so you get frequency congestion because of that.

Anyway, I did my private through CFI at Provo. I remember the good old days when me and my 152 were the only ones around, flying left traffic to 13. In fact, on my solo day, my folks came down and video taped it. The only other airplane in the pattern during any of the three circuits was a mixmaster. But then it got bad. Provo needed a tower when I did my CFI there two years ago. Sad to hear that nothing has changed. And I complain about my #5 for landing sequence at my cushy Class D--I don't want to go back.

Actually, I have a funny story about this: 13/31 used to be both left traffic, but the whiney residents/grouchy farmers under the pattern prevailed and now it is right traffic to 13. The first day that this right traffic went into effect was the day of my initial CFI checkride. Talk about mayhem! Never got the power-off 180 in, because Katanas from my own school kept taking the runway in front of me. Guess it turned out ok, though. I passed.

In the Katana's defense, it is a cool airplane. I got one up to 14000' MSL (before I had to head back down--it would have kept going upstairs if I didn't have to stop because of O2) with the power all the way back on a wicked good thermal day. The airplane's just hard to see in the pattern.

I'm out of the loop on the UT flying scene. It's been a couple years since I have done any flying out there. They've got some pretty good glider ops up in Heber City though. You ought to check that out if you have any inclination. Cedar Valley is a pretty good jump school if meat bombin' it is your thing.

But if I had it to do all over again, I'd proabably do the USU degree in aviation instead of the UVSC one. The program is just a little bit more solid academically, and maybe I could have better prepared myself for some graduate work in an aviation-related technical area. In a lot of ways, UVSC is just a glorified, degree-granting FBO. Flying should be taught as a craft, not just "quick-and-dirty" to get a rating.

Dang, I miss all the cool mountain waves back there. Timp fires off a sweet wave complex pretty often in the winter--it's breathtaking. We get a little bit out here, but O2 is definitely not required wave equipment in New England. Is Tom Jense still around? He probably doesn't remember me at all, but I had a heck of a time hanging out in his hangar. I was just a high schooler/student pilot though. That was a while ago.

-Goose

Edit: Maybe after the Super Bowl is overwith, I'll fly the Utah Soaring Association avatar again.
 
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Has any one been to OXB (Ocean City, MD) in the Summer time? That place is very bad. Parachuters are mixed in with the banner towers flying over at 500 feet from an airport three miles away, you have people flying up the beach (the airport is on the water) at 500 feet, and more airplanes in the pattern at one time than most towered airports in the area. Oh yeah, and watch out for that dumb kid buzzing around in the bright yellow Champ, he's crazy;)
 
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I worked at that airport as a kid, back when I was the only soul there at night, and one of the few during the day.

I remember when UVSC came into being from the tech college, and was offering four year degrees...and didn't have a four year degree program. And when they posted a drug siezed skyvan at the airport for years and told people it was their advanced training aircraft...never was airworthy that I know of.

The place is a disaster zone. I flew over it several times on the way to a fire last summer, and that was the most terrifying part of the day. Compared to flying through provo's airspace, even high, flying the fire was a piece of cake.
 
avbug said:
And when they posted a drug siezed skyvan at the airport for years and told people it was their advanced training aircraft...never was airworthy that I know of.

Remember that Merlin that they had? They didn't do a whole lot with that either, as I recall.

-Goose
 
I flew my first solo there back in '86 in N67853 (Western Flyers Flying Club), before the owner/president got sent to the Draper Hilton.
 
I am from the mid-atlantic and Ocean City is a joke compared to Provo.

I would take jumpers and banners any day over the 15 students in the pattern trying to all land on different runways at the same time, all going 70 kts in downwind. TCAS is useless when everyone is on top of each other and transmitting on the radio at the same time.

At least everyone knows where the jumpers are going and where the banner planes tow.

I go into PVU at least twice a month in the winter and wish that we were going to SLC every single time!!!!!
 
rchcfi said:
I was down at PVU a few months ago and I couldn't believe the traffic. Not to mention some intructor who was calling himself "Evolution 123". I didn't realize what an Evolution was until I got on the ground and saw it painted on the side of a Katana. This fool needs to stop thinking "big" and just call himself a Katana so us folks know what to look for! Thankfully there were some nice folks in the pattern who realized I was a "tad" faster and let me get in on the ILS.

"Traffic is a Golden Eagle 2:00 opposite direction."

"Got the twin Cessna in sight." *snicker*
 
rchcfi said:
Not to mention some intructor who was calling himself "Evolution 123". ... This fool needs to stop thinking "big" and just call himself a Katana so us folks know what to look for!

The Evolution is not a Katana.

The Katana has the Rotax engine (100hp), the Evolution and Eclipse have a 125hp Continental IO240 and a number of other upgrades. The Katana was the original but the Rotax engine is more popular in Europe. I doubt that the Katana would do well at Provo's elevation.

http://www.diamondair.com/default.htm
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I remember the Merlin. Its was their showpiece untill some kid yanked the gear up (I think he did the school a favor). I went thru the program before they had any airplanes and the flight training had to be farmed out to American Aviation and some other FBO I forget. Then I taught at PVU for a couple of years in the late 90's when the weedeaters (Katanas) were in full force and the place went down hill fast. It seemed to me that the college bred an arrogant, I'm all that, dangerous attitude. Plus there was so many Katanas flying it made pattern work a joke. UVSC has had some serious accidents and its always been a matter of time until something serious happens. PVU used to be an awesome airport at the base of the beautiful Wasatch mountains. Its central location to many great areas made it even better. Goose Egg: I think it was you asking about Tom and I believe he's still turning wrenchs. I ran the desk for a flight school in Tom's hanger and remember him well. He was the aviation god to everyone.
 
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I know that this is a stale thread, but does anyone know when the tower at PVU is supposed to open?

'Sled
 

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