PRos and Cons of fractionals

[fischman]

Keep in mind that there is a vast difference between regionals and majors even though both are airlines.
Helm

Ha!

Bad management.
Crappy hotels.
Bad diet.
Bad pay.
Commute on your own time.
Old worn out airframes.

Yeah. Vast differences.

 

[BentOver]

Ha!

Bad management. You still do work at Netjets, correct? I wouldn't be tooting my horn these days!!
Bad pay. Before '05 and IBB '07 I wouldn't have gone to NJA to work so many days for such low pay.....

Old worn out airframes. again, we're talking about the same Netjets right? The one who's main problem is trying to sell shares in "old worn out airframes that are past their intended life cycle."

Yeah. Vast differences.

Pot meet kettle

 

[jonjuan]

Ha!

Bad management.
Crappy hotels.
Bad diet.
Bad pay.
Commute on your own time.
Old worn out airframes.

Yeah. Vast differences.

LOL- we're talking about the airlines again, right?

 

[Willy21]

I think it would be safe to say that someone that was hired prior to June of 2005 would have a drastically different opinion of life at NetJets vs life at an airline.

 

[fischman]

Pot meet kettle

8000 hour airframe vs 30,000 hour airframe. You tell me.

I have no comment about our current management team.

This isn't before '05 or '07. This is 2011!!! I would rather be at NetJets now (with out 8000 hour airframes and current management than ANY regional, and 99.9% of LCC's or majors).

 

[BentOver]

8000 hour airframe vs 30,000 hour airframe. You tell me. Airline management doesn't have to sell shares of a 30,000 airframe.

I have no comment about our current management team. I can comment, they suck, and are holding another 300 pilots (12% of the group) hostage. Plus giving out nothing but conflicting information so nobody can plan for the future. Hell, even 10 year guys have said they're resumes are out TO THE AIRINES....

This isn't before '05 or '07. This is 2011!!! I would rather be at NetJets now (with out 8000 hour airframes and current management than ANY regional, and 99.9% of LCC's or majors).

It is 2011, NJA is in terrible shape, and people are contemplating jumping ship, not just SIC's but PIC's also. Where are they considering? JB, SWA, Delta (whenever they all start hiring)

Don't get me wrong, I liked NJA, but don't for one second think that those major airline guys are going "gee whiz I wish I was at Netjets"...

By saying you pity them, it comes off extremely arrogant. Same with all those years of tooting our horns over how much better NJA was than the other fractionals and corporate operators....Well now when there was a furlough guess who couldn't land jobs...NJA'ers...Why? Possibly supply and demand, but I have a feeling it also had something to do with how arrogant many NJA'ers come across on boards like these. People in hiring positions also read these things and NJA doesn't always give off the best impression when it comes to being arrogant.

 

[OPECJet]

An 8000 hour Citation is not in the same league as a 30000 hour Boeing.

 

[fischman]

By saying you pity them, it comes off extremely arrogant.

I honestly don't give a crap if it looks arrogant. I've done the airline game. I didn't like it. I pity airline pilots.

 

[fischman]

It is 2011, NJA is in terrible shape, and people are contemplating jumping ship, not just SIC's but PIC's also. Where are they considering? JB, SWA, Delta (whenever they all start hiring)

Hopefully it's the senior guys!

 

[imacdog]

I honestly don't give a crap if it looks arrogant. I've done the airline game. I didn't like it. I pity airline pilots.

There about 495 of us who really wish you (and others) would.

 

[airjackson]

I honestly don't give a crap if it looks arrogant. I've done the airline game. I didn't like it. I pity airline pilots.

Compared to whatever regional you flew for, I'm sure your frac is pretty awesome. I felt the same way when I left a regional for the fracs. The majors are another ballgame completely however.
Now, don't you have a fresh pot of coffee to fetch?

 

[Kuma]

Here's a comparison to Airline vs. Fractional...

I spent 5 years at ACA, a regional airline flying United Express and Delta Connection colors. They left United and Delta in 2004'ish and became Independence Air and promptly went out of business 14 months later.

Anyway, after Independence Air went under I left to fly for Avantair. My logbook program has a feature where it plots all of your flights on a map. (I use LogBook Pro and Route Browser is the mapping software.)

Take a look at the difference in flying. The first represents 5 years at ACA / Independence Air and the second represents only 3 years flying fractional at Avantair. The difference is striking.


5 years at a Regional (ACA / Independence Air) map
Based in KORD and KIAD for the entire time.

3 years at a Fractional (Avantair) map
Based in KMCO (my home) for the entire time.






After you view the pics, remember the first was 5+ years and the second was only 3! That's the difference if you ask me...

Wow! That is a great way to compare the two. Thanks!