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DETROIT - Northwest Airlines operates the world's oldest commercial airline fleet, according to a study.

At the end of 2003, Northwest's 432 jets averaged 18.1 years, compared with 7 to 10 years for other large carriers.

But travelers flying Northwest shouldn't be alarmed. Age does not make a plane less safe, said George Hamlin, director at MergeGlobal Inc., an Arlington, Va., airline and logistics consulting firm.

"With proper maintenance, aircraft can be made to go" for a long time, he said.

There is no consensus on how long a commercial plane can fly. But planes such as DC9s, the oldest in Northwest's fleet, can fly for about 45 years, Hamlin said.

Experts say Northwest, which has flights to and from Philadelphia International Airport daily, tries to save money by flying the old DC9s that are cheaper to own but less fuel-efficient than newer planes, and slightly more expensive to maintain.

Most airlines have a regular replacement schedule, and they keep their fleet's average age at about 12 years, Hamlin said.

"In this type of economic environment, it is a good plane to have, because it is fully paid for," Douglas Steenland, president of Northwest Airlines, said.

The skewed figures on Northwest's fleet can be attributed to its 165 DC9s, according to Back Aviation Solutions Inc., of New Haven, Conn., which did the study and provided data for the top 50 airlines in the world. The study excluded small regional jets.

If the DC9s were not counted, Northwest's average fleet age would be 9.7 years. The average age of its DC9s was about 33 years.

In 1994, Northwest began upgrading its DC9 fleet rather than spend on a new generation of planes. Northwest flies seven types of jets including the DC9s.

Because of the low cost of ownership, Northwest was one of the most profitable large airlines through most of the mid- to late 1990s.

Even during the last two years, when the economic slump drove United Airlines and US Airways to Bankruptcy Court, Northwest has done better than some of its competition.

The airline has lost about $1 billion since 2001, compared with about $4.4 billion lost by US Airways and more than $6.4 billion lost by American Airlines.

Still, DC9s are more expensive to fly than some of the newer types of planes from Boeing and Airbus.

It costs Northwest 7.2 cents in operating expenditures to fly 1 mile per passenger on a 100-seat DC9-30, according to Eclat Consulting, an airline consultancy. That compares with the average of 6.5 cents that U.S. carriers spend on flying 108-seat Boeing 737-500s, Eclat Consulting said.

Since 2002, Northwest has been replacing some of its older planes with newer ones. The average age of its fleet has declined from 20.1 years on Dec. 31, 2001, to 18.1 years on Dec. 31, 2003.

A few older planes were retired last year, including two DC9s in the last six months. Northwest bought 30 new large jets in 2003 and 38 in 2002.

Steenland, Northwest's president, said the airline would keep flying DC9s for some time, and begin replacing them in the next decade.

Under Federal Aviation Administration rules, commercial jets go through regular maintenance checks, FAA spokeswoman Elizabeth Isham Cory said.

"The DC9s are still the most efficient airplane operated by any airline in the United States," Bernard Han, chief financial officer of Northwest, said in a third-quarter conference call with analysts and journalists in October.
 
pb4ufly said:
"The DC9s are still the most efficient airplane operated by any airline in the United States," Bernard Han, chief financial officer of Northwest, said in a third-quarter conference call with analysts and journalists in October.

There must be some real good crack dealers in Eagan.....
 
By meaning "efficient" he means total costs to include lease or loan payments he may be right. Those DC-9's are paid for and returning the original investment until they are put to rest.

If NWA delays new aircraft purchases until their competitors jets middle age, NWA can leapfrog and have the youngest fleet.
 
My old boss once said:

"When the last Airbus A-320 is laid to rest in the desert, its pilots will be flown home in a DC-9."
 
At ABX, the oldest airplane is a DC-9, older than any DC-8 in the fleet, it was built in 66, the oldest DC-8 was built in 67.

That is of course after many of the 8's have been hacked up.
 
midex has #2 DC9-10 700ME it is the oldest #1 met its fate with the ground. The cheap operation is not really working for them though.
 
Midex is retiring 700ME (2nd one ever built) at the end of January. So the oldest DC-9 is not at Midex anymore.

Today is the 27th, looks like it is until the end of the month.
 
NWA

The last 50 DC-9's Northwest bought were ex-Eastern which they paid 2 million a piece for then spent another $2 million each to re-rag them. Total cost to NWA was $4 million when everyone else was spending $21 million for RJ's. You can buy an awful lot of 95 cent a gallon aviation fuel for the $17,000,000 difference.
 
My last flight at Midex was in N700ME. That was on April 2, 2003. The airframe was low time and flew straight. As most know, the -10's are rockets and 700ME was no exception. In respect? The company is having veiwings (a wake) for this old girl. Sorry I can't go and visit. I guess the rumor of it going to the Smithsonian has finally put to rest.

Anyone know where it's headed?
 
Re: NWA

GVFlyer said:
The last 50 DC-9's Northwest bought were ex-Eastern which they paid 2 million a piece for then spent another $2 million each to re-rag them. Total cost to NWA was $4 million when everyone else was spending $21 million for RJ's. You can buy an awful lot of 95 cent a gallon aviation fuel for the $17,000,000 difference.


Finally...somebody that get's it! These old girls have been rode hard and put up wet...but even our CEO has said they're our most profitable aircraft. I bitched and moaned when I got here that we should get rid of them and replace them with new aircraft, but now I'm glad we kept them. NWA would be in a lot worse shape without 'em.
 
Re: Re: Prize for oldest jets goes to NWA

T-Gates said:
There must be some real good crack dealers in Eagan.....

Yeah, I unfortunately live in the same appartment complex as most of them!!
 
Sorry I stand corrected 700 is till the end of the mouth. The info does not flow out to us Furl% people to well anymore. It was still one of the better flying -10s thought.
 
Re: NWA

GVFlyer said:
The last 50 DC-9's Northwest bought were ex-Eastern which they paid 2 million a piece for then spent another $2 million each to re-rag them.

Just in the mid 1990's alone, Northwest has purchased over 40 DC-9's of various series ( -32, -41 and -51) from overseas, years after any Eastern airplanes were added to their fleet.

It's been a few years, but Aviation Week had an article on Northwest, and they claimed that the DC-9 was the most reliable aircraft in their fleet at the time...........says alot about the new generation aircraft:D
 
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"Northwest, and they claimed that the DC-9 was the most reliable aircraft in their fleet at the time...........says alot about the new generation aircraft"

Kind of tough to refuse a DC-9 for a bad IRU.... In any case, I tend to believe what a person does more than what they say. There are 77 DC-9's for sale or lease on Speednews.com. I'll bet most (if not all) could be had for less than a mill. Why isn't NWA buying them? Even at a mill and with 2 mill for the NWA "look", they still rather have $40-50 million A319-320's.
 
Question for you old -10 9 drivers.

The MD-80 has the wisky compass up and behind the F/O. When you build your nest you have to adjust a mirror to see the compass. Does the older DC-9's have the same thing?
 
Not sure about the 9's, but DC-8's have the compass behind the Capt's seat up on the ceiling.

With all the flying I have done in them being a flight mechanic, I have never once seen the flight crews use the mirrors to see the compass.
 
Re: Re: NWA

"It's been a few years, but Aviation Week had an article on Northwest, and they claimed that the DC-9 was the most reliable aircraft in their fleet at the time...........says alot about the new generation aircraft:"D [/B][/QUOTE]

It also says a lot about the 9's ability to carry DMI stickers.
 

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