Private Pilot

[dmspilot00]

I'm stuck right now with two students who can't seem to grasp the flare concept or get a good grip on the perception that is needed. That is why I posted what I did. I also figured it would give someone a chance to b!tch about something. After all, thats why most people reply on this site.

Maybe it's their PREVIOUS instructor.

 

[say again]

Unusual attitudes recoveries- seems like we're always in them.

 

[F16fixer]

Thanks for the insight! Wow! Are all your posts this helpful?

Maybe it's the instructor.

 

[bobbysamd]

Second and third private lessons

A lot will depend on your training situation. If you are teaching under 141, you might be teaching simple stalls on the second lesson and probably on the third, along with MCAS; the reason being is that most 141 syllabi cram the most amount of training into the least amount of time and are somewhat accelerated. Some people might regard teaching critically slow airspeeds on the second lesson as being too soon; perhaps, but, if you are well organized your student can work on straight-and-level and turns to and from the practice area. In other words, don't waste a moment of time.

Your student should be making takeoffs with your assistance on the second lesson, and touch-and-goes can be introduced at that time; definitely on the third lesson. Most students I've had didn't have much trouble learning normal takeoffs.

I agree with Midlife about covering the instruments early on to discourage heads in the cockpit.

 

[Jon-Kyle Mohr]

Honestly...you are probably better off sticking to studentpilot.com.

This is not the kind of board for a 14 year old with one flight lesson. If you don't have a thick skin (you already failed test one), you will get ripped endlessly.

And you are already showing an attitude. And you do have a lack of knowledge. Not to be mean, but you have one flight lesson. Reading the AOPA website doesn't make you an aeronautical genius. I have 120 hours and I don't even know very much.

Oh, and don't take this the wrong way!

The only thing I don't like about student pilot is the lack of activity, here there is always a new post every time you refresh the page.

I know I have a lack of knowledge, but this post was asking what CFIs like to teach on the second and third lesson. I figured I'd offer another perspective, simply because my next lesson is my second. I figured it would not hurt to add to what has been said, but apparently it did.

Point taken, thanks for being honest

 

[dmspilot00]

on the second lesson...touch-and-goes can be introduced at that time; definitely on the third lesson.

I don't really see the purpose in that. You can talk the student through the landing after the lesson, but doing touch and goes that early would have a very low RoR.

F16fixer, interesting you changed your advice 180 degrees from what it had been. I don't know why, but it is much better now than what it was before

 

[F16fixer]

No, I'm their third instructor. Iv'e soloed other students just fine. These guys are a couple of middle aged farmers and I guess it takes them a little longer to learn, and I'm just not seeing any consistency. Maybe it has to do with the gaps they keep putting in their training. It is getting to be busy season here in MN.

If it's their second or third lesson, that's probably why.

 

[Lead Sled]

I'm 14, buddy. Taking two lessons every week and spinning my wheels for two years until I can solo would be a waste of money.

Get your fanny over to the local glider port and learn how to fly. You can solo at 14 and get your PPL-Glider at 16. You'll be the better pilot and have a leg up on everyone else you age.

'Sled

 

[Snakum]

I agree with Midlife about covering the instruments early on to discourage heads in the cockpit.

LMAO! That brings back memories. For my first two or three actual lessons in '95 I was a helluva instrument pilot. I knew roughly what the instruments should be doing, and I was bound and determined to watch holes through them so we wouldn't fall out of the sky.

My instructor, a crazy Dutch kid who usually smelled like he'd been up drinking just an hour before, brought in a giant piece of newsprint and taped it all the way across the panel.

Minh

 

[bobbysamd]

Touch & Gos

I don't really see the purpose in that. You can talk the student through the landing after the lesson, but doing touch and goes that early would have a very low RoR.

You work them in when you return to the airport. It gives them practice in the four fundamentals, gets them used to flying at lower altitudes, and gives them practice at flying at critically slow airspeeds. It gives them additional takeoff practice.

I am not saying that on the second or third flight that dozens of circuits should be practiced. Three reps is enough to hold their interest and get them excited for the next flight.

PS-On the subject of lesson organization, there are many ways to maximize training time. For example, you don't say, "now, we'll work on straight and level, now, we'll work on turns, etc." All these things can be worked on to and from the practice area because they are all part of normal flying. Rectangluar course might be another example. Some instructors feel that students learn rectangular course sufficently from traffic pattern work and concentrate on turns around a point and S-turns down a road. I agree, but I still liked to work on it away from the airport so that students understood thoroughly its application to the pattern.