Pre-solo written required?

[DaveJ]

I have a student that is already a private pilot with a glider category rating and I'm giving him ASEL instruction. At first I thought I'd have to have him take a pre-solo knowledge test, but after reading 61.87(b), I changed my mind. The reg appears to just be for student pilots and this kid is already a private pilot so he shouldn't have to take a pre-solo knowledge test. Any thoughts?

 

[hydroflyer]

That is an interesting question. I think I would play it safe and give it to him anyway. He should already know the stuff on the test and it is a good review for him, besides, it shouldn't take too long. Maybe ask a DE that you have used before about this question and see what they say.

 

[minitour]

hmm...I think you're right, but I'd do it anyway.

The test is supposed to include questions on the make and model of aircraft being used, so if nothing else: 1 - Its CYA and 2 - It'll get him in the books on the aircraft systems.

I'd treat it like any other student pilot since it's a completely new class rating...but that's just me...if we were talking AMEL add on to ASEL then I'd probably skip it since we're just adding a category...again, personal opinion.

If that's wrong, I'll gladly be corrected.

-mini

 

[mattpilot]

reading 61.87 (b)(1)(iii), i think it is a requirement.

Perhaps the test must not include stuff listed under (i) and (ii), but i do believe a glider is a different make and model than an engine powered airplane


When i started my helo training (already had PPL ASEL), the instructor also made me do a test.

 

[minitour]

When i started my helo training (already had PPL ASEL), the instructor also made me do a test.

but that's because nobody likes you

Seriously though, how do ya like the helo?

-mini

 

[midlifeflyer]

Dave, you are exactly right for the reason you stated. Your trainee (I'll avoid the word "student" since it leads to confusion) is not a "student pilot" so 61.87 doesn't apply.

But, like hydro and mini, I'd give him one that at least deals with flight characteristics - just the way you might do for a make/model checkout. Just a good practice.

There are a number of similar issues when teaching someone a new category or class. For example, remember that you are under 61.31(c) when it comes to his solo. So, you will probably want to specifically limit the duration of your solo endorsement - most agree that it =does not= automatically expire in 90 days like the ones for student pilots.

 

[mattpilot]

but that's because nobody likes you

i know... life sucks...

Seriously though, how do ya like the helo?

love it

I went on a XC Yesterday and we landed in my bro's "backyard" (some 10 acres outside of city limits).

 

[nosehair]

To aid in clarification of the term "student", read the first regulation under Subpart C - Student Pilots

61.81 Applicability
This subpart prescribes the requirements for the issuance of student pilot certificates, the conditions under which those certificates are necessary, and the general operating rules and limitations for the holders of those certificates.

Ergo, the FAA defines a "Student" as one who holds a Student Pilot Certificate.

Once you hold a Private Pilot Certificate, these rules in Subpart C do not apply to you.

61.31(d) applies to other than student pilot certificate holders. And for 61.31(d)(3), the only endorsement required is a solo endorsement - the pre-solo knowledge test is not an endorsement.

Having said all that, I agree that a knowledge test is a good idea and should be accomplished. But is is not a legal requirement.