Pre-mature Flapulation....

[finnjl]

Never bothered me people who put there hands on the flap lever. Not really that big of a deal. It sounds like some folks need to relax and learn a litle crm. If the captain wants them in 15 seconds earlier or later then so be it. Theoritically you are working as a team to run a smooth flight not getting upset if the other pilot thinks it is time for the flaps.

 

[PCL_128]

You guys will get a different perspective when your ticket is on the line in the left seat.

Nope, just went through upgrade about 6 months ago, and my perspective hasn't changed. Guys that put their hand on the flap lever before it being called for are still monumental douchebags. In my experience, guys that talk about "their ticket" being on the line after they upgrade are insecure about their own abilities and probably never should have upgraded in the first place. If you think it's time for flaps, just say something in a non-douchebag way. Is it really that hard to say "you want flaps?" instead of acting like a jerk?

 

[acaTerry]

You kids are such a bunch of little crybabies. Boo Hoo, the CA put his hand on the flap/ gear /radio/ etc...he hurt my feelings!
STFU and get control of your little emotions.

 

[screwed_again]

Who cares?

 

[NEDude]

Nope, just went through upgrade about 6 months ago, and my perspective hasn't changed. Guys that put their hand on the flap lever before it being called for are still monumental douchebags. In my experience, guys that talk about "their ticket" being on the line after they upgrade are insecure about their own abilities and probably never should have upgraded in the first place. If you think it's time for flaps, just say something in a non-douchebag way. Is it really that hard to say "you want flaps?" instead of acting like a jerk?

I am not defending captains doing stuff before it is called for. My point was more for the whining F/Os who get their feeling hurt over a captain ocasionally acting like they are in charge. News flash here folks, even in the days of CRM, captains still have the ultimate responsibility for the safety of flight. If something goes wrong, the first person the FAA (and most companies) is going to look at is the captain.

Now it is up to both pilots to practice good CRM. If the captain isn't comfortable with how the long the F/O is waiting to call for flaps, instead of just putting their hands on the flap lever, s/he should query the F/O. The F/O may have a very legitimate reason that the captain isn't aware of. Conversely if you see your captain reaching for the flap lever, instead of getting a bent out of shape and crying to flightinfo, say to the captain "I am holding off on the flaps because..."

Not that hard a concept.

 

[~~~^~~~]

This is wrong-headed, to say the least.

If it was a "single-pilot airplane" Bombardier would have gotten the Challenger a /SP authorization.

I am sure there were plenty of Captains who thought the 727 was really a "One Pilot/One Engineer" aircraft, and the FO was there to run the pitot heat and the radios.

We fly in a crew environment, and you'd better believe both crewmembers certificates are on the line.

Ty, I'm not advocating that the RJ is a single pilot airplane for Certification, or CRM. I'm just saying that you have a lot less to do and it is a much easier airplane to fly than a Beech Baron. They cleaned up the checklist, procedures and systems even more in the -700. But, we fly the airplane the way the FAA and the airline wants it flown.

 

[PCL_128]

I am not defending captains doing stuff before it is called for. My point was more for the whining F/Os who get their feeling hurt over a captain ocasionally acting like they are in charge. News flash here folks, even in the days of CRM, captains still have the ultimate responsibility for the safety of flight. If something goes wrong, the first person the FAA (and most companies) is going to look at is the captain.

Now it is up to both pilots to practice good CRM. If the captain isn't comfortable with how the long the F/O is waiting to call for flaps, instead of just putting their hands on the flap lever, s/he should query the F/O. The F/O may have a very legitimate reason that the captain isn't aware of. Conversely if you see your captain reaching for the flap lever, instead of getting a bent out of shape and crying to flightinfo, say to the captain "I am holding off on the flaps because..."

Not that hard a concept.

In that case, I agree completely.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

You kids are such a bunch of little crybabies. Boo Hoo, the CA put his hand on the flap/ gear /radio/ etc...he hurt my feelings!
STFU and get control of your little emotions.

Is ritalin or other ADD drugs FAA approved?

 

[DetoXJ]

I'm sick of flying with Captains who prematurely put their hand on the flap lever well before you plan on calling for flaps, as if to que you to slow or you need flaps..... Douche Bags-all of them! "Premature Flapulators" is what I like to think of them as. You all know who you are.

Almost as bad as when the FO's set the flaps on taxi out and start reading the before takeoff checklist before it's been asked for. I'm sure your part of that group. Get over it and get some thicker skin.

 

[AC560]

If the Captain puts his hands where they don't belong, just put your cigarette out on his hand. Will be certain to stop him from doing it in future.

 

[Alchemy]

I'm just saying that you have a lot less to do and it is a much easier airplane to fly than a Beech Baron.

Riiiiiiiiight......

 

[wheelsup]

Riiiiiiiiight......

I was thinking the same thing. I've got 280 hours in a 58 and I'd take it over a CRJ single pilot any day .

 

[Nindiri]

If these kids get this worked up over a little "premature flapulation" by the CA, they would never have survived back in the days of Ernie Gann and Bob Buck.

 

[Flyerjosh]

I was thinking the same thing. I've got 280 hours in a 58 and I'd take it over a CRJ single pilot any day .

I'll take single pilot in the CRJ any day over a light twin. Ultimately it comes down to training, but the CRJ IMHO is much more automated than most light aircraft.

 

[Turtlesfly]

But to the FO's credit - (not counting the ones who really need help getting the a/c down) . . . when we were instructors we never touched stuff on the student's side . . . if they wanted to put their chart somewhere a certain way we let them . . .

. . . what I'm saying is I'm afraid some of the FO's or CA's who encroach with their "eager hands" probably never really got out of the single-pilot frame of mind. Seriously, if waiting a few knots to put some flaps in is the difference between landing and Go-arounds (as GO-AROUND would make you think) then I think that pilot probably has some other issues . . .