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OrcasC180

Should be OrcasC205 now..
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I have my commercial checkride this afternoon and looking for any last-minute advice on how to conquere the pre-checkride jitters. I'm nervous because I'm taking the checkride in a 172RG which I'm just not as comfortable in as my own plane (which is unforunately not complex). While I know I can do all the maneuvers, I'm worried about not being very smooth (since the gutless cutlass flys like a tank compared to my 180) or doing something stupid. I know there's nothing anyone can say or do that will change the checkride at this point, but I needed to vent.

-DJ
 
Good luck on the ride man, don't worry too much, just do everything the same way you've been practicing,, let us know how it goes!!
 
If you are comfortable with all the manuevers and have all the knowledge you need, you'll be fine...

Don't think of it as a test, but as an opportunity to demonstrate you knowledge and skills...

Good Luck!
 
I always just try and ignore the fact that theres a check airman there. Just pretend its a normal non aviation type that asking you to show him a steep turn or whatever. And keep your mind off it completely for the day before so you wont overworry. Just go out there and do your thing and get er done. GL.
 
OrcasC180 said:
I can do all the maneuvers, I'm worried about not being very smooth (since the gutless cutlass flys like a tank compared to my 180) or doing something stupid.

??!!...Dood, yer a tailwheel 180 pilot an' yer worried about blowin' it in a cutlass??!! C'mon, man, yer blowin' the image!! You're a tailwheel pilot!! You can jump tall buildings in a single bound...;)
 
When it comes to the oral...

Keep your answers simple and to the point. For example, if they ask you the battery voltage, don't describe the entire electrical system, just tell them the battery voltage. If they want you to describe the electrical system they'll ask you to. Don't tell him/her "more than you know", because it will be readily apparent and give them a reason to start probing you. As I said, if they want more detail, they will ask you for it. If you are asked a question that you don't know, don't panic - simply say you don't know the answer. (Hopefully, it won't be in an area that you really ought to know and understand.) Many examiners will ask questions like that to see if you know where and how to look up the kind of stuff that you aren't going to remember out in the real world.

Don't sweat the checkride too much. (Sure, that's easy for me to say.) Just remember that, to one degree or another, your CFI is also on the line here (The FAA gets interested in CFI's with low pass/fail ratios.) and he/she isn't going to recommend you until they are 100% satisfied that you're ready. When I'm prepping a student for a checkride, my oral and final training flight with the student is MUCH more difficult than anything an examiner will require. Most examiners have the point of view that all they are looking for is to verify the instructor's recommendation that you are ready for the license. They're not looking for perfection - no one has ever flown a perfect flight - just safety and compliance with the requirements. Have fun and be sure to let us know how it goes.

'Sled
 
Success!

The examiner wasn't pretty brutal about some of the bad habits I've picked up in the last few years since my last checkride, but in the end I passed. My lazy-eights were horrible (the examiners words, not mine) and my eights-on-pylons were barely passable -- in both cases I was banking to quickly. All my landings were good except my short-field landing got a bit too high on the sink rate after clearing the "obstacle". The examiner and I had a disagreement on whether power simply controlled airspeed (the examiners position) or controls airspeed and lift (my position) -- in the end I shut up (probably later than I should have).

Thanks for all the kind words earlier.

-DJ
 
did ya bust any tolorrences on any of those manouvers
 
OrcasC180 said:
The examiner wasn't pretty brutal about some of the bad habits I've picked up in the last few years since my last checkride, but in the end I passed. My lazy-eights were horrible (the examiners words, not mine) and my eights-on-pylons were barely passable -- in both cases I was banking to quickly. All my landings were good except my short-field landing got a bit too high on the sink rate after clearing the "obstacle". The examiner and I had a disagreement on whether power simply controlled airspeed (the examiners position) or controls airspeed and lift (my position) -- in the end I shut up (probably later than I should have).

Thanks for all the kind words earlier.

-DJ

Congrats man. Island flying is great up there; I had a lot of fun flying the green 206s around the Juans, especially in the winter.
 
I've said it a million times.

Pitch for airspeed, Power for altitude.
 
MTpilot said:
Pitch for airspeed, Power for altitude.



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someone else agrees

ive had a friend who argued this with his examiner on cfi ride
 
Lord only knows how my Lazy's would have looked. The airspeed thing,?!...it depends, but you should always agree with the guy unless its a CFI ride. Even then small disagreements only.
 
mattpilot said:
its only true for the region of reverse command. It should be the same for jets, shouldn't it?
No it's not the same. It's time for a little homework assignment. Do some research and let us know what you find out.

'Sled
 
mattpilot said:
uhmm.... no

I was asking someone who knew - comon, share some info ;)
I'll give you a hint... It has to do with mass, inertia, and wing loading. Don't believe me? Look at how the best sticks in the business fly airplanes.

'Sled
 
mattpilot said:
Don't believe me?
why shouldn't i?

I don't know - thats why i'm asking.

Guys, guys, guys.... Take a step back and a deep breath. :)

I didn't mean to open a can of worms here -- if I did I would have made a comment about wheel landings vs. 3-pt landings. I too am curious about how jets differ from small piston singles in how they need to be flown.
 
When it comes to jets and other highly wing loaded aircraft pitch = altitude and power = airspeed. Period. If you want to know why then take the time to do a little research. I don't have the time to do a lot of typing right now.

'Sled
 
MTpilot said:
Pitch for airspeed, Power for altitude.

When you are flying straight-and-level, do you make constant little power changes to control your altitude? I thought not, you pitch slightly up and down to control the altitude, don't you?
When you are cruising along, controlling the altitude with pitch changes, and you want to slow down for a pattern entry or holding or something, do you start pitching the nose up to slow down before you power back? I thought not, you power back first, don't you? See? See how you are pitching to the altitude and powering to the airspeed. You fly like that, I know you do. We all do.

Now, when you get on final, you're gonna tell me it all changes? Now we reverse the process? That is so confusing! Why you gonna do that? I mean as long as we are making power approaches, the power still controls airspeed and pitch controls altitude, or descent rate/angle.

Yes, if we are power off, then the airspeed is controlled by pitch. In a power off glide, or a full throttle climb, pitch controls airspeed. But that's the only time. It's also true when you are truly in the area of reverse command, but that doesn't happen in most light trainers, when you use the POH recommended short-field speeds. If you slow to a true short-field approach speed of about 1.2 Vso, then you are in the area of reverse command,ie. increased pitch increses drag more than lift, and a pitch up will not produce a decreased descent rate, but wil increase descent rate.

But...back to a normal approach...you have excess speed which will transfer to lift with an increase in pitch. Of course this produces a decrease in speed, so power is applied to keep the speed up.

The advantage of this method of controlling speed and altitude is that it is consistent, and you have much more precise control of your glidepath if you control it with pitch. Point the nose towards the aiming spot on the runway. If you encounter a heat thermal on final and you see the airplane rising, point the nose down *BAM the airplane is still going towards the spot...but, oh yeah, we gotta get the throttle back to keep the speed down....

Now, with the other way, you encounter the heat thermal and see the airplane rising, but also you see the airspeed increasing, which it will do in a thermal, and if you are trained to control airspeed with pitch, your knee-jerk response is going to be to pull back onthe elevator to control speed and *BAM you just blew the approach by going too high. Yes you'll get the throttle bak because of altitude, but it is probably too late, you will most likely gain altitude which is harder to lose than an increase in airspeed.

Also, think about how you control airspeed and glideslope on an ILS. Do you make constant little power changes to stay on the glideslope? I hope not. Yes, some people do. The ones who are taught and carry-on with the "pitch to the airspeed and power to the altitude" myth.

But you can make a much smoother ILS if you set the power and forget it. Pitch to the glideslope needle and allow the airspeed to fluctuate +/- 10kts.

Do the same with your visual approaches.
 
nosehair said:
When you are flying straight-and-level, do you make constant little power changes to control your altitude? I thought not, you pitch slightly up and down to control the altitude, don't you?
When you are cruising along, controlling the altitude with pitch changes, and you want to slow down for a pattern entry or holding or something, do you start pitching the nose up to slow down before you power back? I thought not, you power back first, don't you? See? See how you are pitching to the altitude and powering to the airspeed. You fly like that, I know you do. We all do.

Now, when you get on final, you're gonna tell me it all changes? Now we reverse the process? That is so confusing! Why you gonna do that? I mean as long as we are making power approaches, the power still controls airspeed and pitch controls altitude, or descent rate/angle.

Yes, if we are power off, then the airspeed is controlled by pitch. In a power off glide, or a full throttle climb, pitch controls airspeed. But that's the only time. It's also true when you are truly in the area of reverse command, but that doesn't happen in most light trainers, when you use the POH recommended short-field speeds. If you slow to a true short-field approach speed of about 1.2 Vso, then you are in the area of reverse command,ie. increased pitch increses drag more than lift, and a pitch up will not produce a decreased descent rate, but wil increase descent rate.

But...back to a normal approach...you have excess speed which will transfer to lift with an increase in pitch. Of course this produces a decrease in speed, so power is applied to keep the speed up.

The advantage of this method of controlling speed and altitude is that it is consistent, and you have much more precise control of your glidepath if you control it with pitch. Point the nose towards the aiming spot on the runway. If you encounter a heat thermal on final and you see the airplane rising, point the nose down *BAM the airplane is still going towards the spot...but, oh yeah, we gotta get the throttle back to keep the speed down....

Now, with the other way, you encounter the heat thermal and see the airplane rising, but also you see the airspeed increasing, which it will do in a thermal, and if you are trained to control airspeed with pitch, your knee-jerk response is going to be to pull back onthe elevator to control speed and *BAM you just blew the approach by going too high. Yes you'll get the throttle bak because of altitude, but it is probably too late, you will most likely gain altitude which is harder to lose than an increase in airspeed.

Also, think about how you control airspeed and glideslope on an ILS. Do you make constant little power changes to stay on the glideslope? I hope not. Yes, some people do. The ones who are taught and carry-on with the "pitch to the airspeed and power to the altitude" myth.

But you can make a much smoother ILS if you set the power and forget it. Pitch to the glideslope needle and allow the airspeed to fluctuate +/- 10kts.

Do the same with your visual approaches.
Excellent post Nosehair. Jets, with their greater mass (and inertia) have to be flown that way. That is also the way autopilots (and autothrottles) fly the airplane. Can you control altitude with power and airspeed with pitch? Of course, but not with my boss sitting in the back seat.

'Sled
 
MTpilot said:
Pitch for airspeed, Power for altitude.

In any airplane, there's only two situations that you should do this. The first one is with a fix power setting (full power, iddle power, or just fixed), and the second one is when you are behind the power curve (slow flight, a fightr landing in a carrier...).
Other times you should pitch for flightpath and power for airspeed. Needless to say, most the time if you change one you have ti change the other.
 

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