Politically Incorrect?

[bart]

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Merry Christmas!

 

[rettofly]

.....our nation is not perfect, and we have a long history of ignoring the sovereignty of "backward" third-world nations. That does not justify the murder of three thousand people, but we have to remember that this was not an unprovoked attack.

And just what did our nation do to provoke the attack?

 

[Typhoon1244]

And just what did our nation do to provoke the attack?

We stationed military personnel and equipment in Saudi Arabia.

That's the major issue Osama has with us. Did we have a choice? Not if we didn't want Saddam running amuck in '89 and '90. It was a calculated risk necessary to meet the Iraqi threat.

These people have said clearly and repeatedly that they don't want "infidels" setting foot on their holy land. Such an act would be provocative in their eyes. Our mistake was not taking them seriously.

My point is that while we can not tolerate attacks like those of September 11th, we also can't afford to pretend that the attack was unjustified in the eyes of our attackers. They're not evil, mindless killers. We pissed them off, and they fought back.

And the only way we can prevent it from ever happening again is to...well...

See my previous remarks about genocide.

 

[Vladimir Lenin]

It's bull$hit because you disagree with his points. Why don't you just go back to eating tofu, practicing your lamaze, and treating that massive yeast infection you've got down there

I've had tofu, but WTF is lamaze? and how do you practice it?

 

[Timebuilder]

They're not evil, mindless killers. We pissed them off, and they fought back.

Mindless killers? No, not at all.

We did pi$$ off some evil killers, though. We have to make value judgements about whether or not their response to our percieved "provocation" is justified.

I say it is not. So does international law.

We are talking about some people who are following an evil doctrine, and who are angry at us for a host of reasons. Rather than respect a diplomatic relationship that has helped to keep a powderkeg from exploding in Saudi Arabia for decades, these extremists are essentially going against the authority of their government, such as it is, to have such a relationship with the US. Rather than attack us, the more moral activity would be to struggle to overthrow their tyrrany and install a more responsive government rather than the monarchy they currently have.

Frankly, considering the tone and complement of the Saudi citizenry, it may be better for us that the have not overthrown their government.

These people have said clearly and repeatedly that they don't want "infidels" setting foot on their holy land. Such an act would be provocative in their eyes. Our mistake was not taking them seriously.

Isn't that a little like saying that our own government has no authority to search our homes, even though they have exercised due process and obtained the proper court order?

In other words, only the Saudi government, which is the current recognized authority, has the legal standing to determine who may or may not set foot, or military bases, on Suadi land, be it "holy" or not. The wishes of the extremists are moot, until they can rise to power.

Since none of these facts are in dispute, we are wholly within our rights to search out the terrorists and their supporters as we see to be fit and just, acording to our laws, the same laws our enemies hate.

While genocide would be an answer, it is not within our philosophy to choose that course. There is a better way, and we are folowing that way.

We have started a domino chain in Iraq. Just like Viet Nam today, Iraq will be a center of commerce and freedom unheard of previously in the Muslim world. Many will be saved, after hearing the truth. While this will not eliminate the terrorist threat, it will severely weaken it and reduce the ability of the mullahs to indoctrinate more young people into their evil belief.

Freedom has worked every time it has been tried. With time, it will work in the Mideast. Israel will continue to be under attack, but that is out of our hands.

We can be effective without genocide. It's working.

 

[wingnutt]

I've had tofu, but WTF is lamaze? and how do you practice it?

here you go...have at it

http://www.leslynotes.com/Lamaze.html

 

[Vladimir Lenin]

here you go...have at it

http://www.leslynotes.com/Lamaze.html

LOL, that's great, I'll try it after some mexican to facilitate the evac.

 

[Salty Dog]

Oh please, Typhoon, don't sound like such a wuss!

"These people have said clearly and repeatedly that they don't want "infidels" setting foot on their holy land. Such an act would be provocative in their eyes. Our mistake was not taking them seriously."

So we DID ask for Pearl Harbor by not going along w/the Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere! Let's not forget our mini-Vietnam we started by pimping out the AVG to the Chinese. Here all along I thought we were pro-actively confronting evil imperialism when all along we were asking for it...

And that whole D-Day thing. How wrong we were! What business was it of ours that the Nazis were stuffing Jews into the ovens as fast as they could while over-running and subjugating most of Western Europe. How awful that we were "provocative in their eyes."

Of course our attackers thought what they were doing was justified. So what? Doesn't make them right. I certainly hope you're not agreeing with the weak-kneed bed wetting liberal effite who think that alone is justification for changing one single thing about American policy and practice.

Just answer this: do you really think that if we had said - Oops, sorry about that... and pulled every last body and scrap of material out of Saudi Arabia by 31 October 2001 that 9/11 would have been called off? Do you REALLY think that those dirt-eating sh!tbags wouldn't manage to conjure up some other "justification" for exporting their jealousy manifested in hatred?

They need to know that exporting terrorism is far too costly to their cause to attempt it again. This will require killing lots of them. I'm O.K. with that. And if the few who survive but are too cowardly to do anything about it don't think America is the greatest place on earth, so be it.

 

[100LL... Again!]

Typhoon, Whoy do you hate the 9-11 hijackers so much? If they were 'good' according to their belief system, do not judge them in the slightest. Instead, simply mourn for the fact that the American lifestyle was perceived by them as a necessary target. No rights, no wrongs, just tragedy for us.

But we can sure be happy for them, right? They did what was 'good' in their own view. They had a victory, hmm?

What right have you, then, to even CRITICIZE their actions - let alone prosecute them if that had been possible.

What a bunch a pseudo-intellectual garbage.

You have dug a logic hole there ain't no escapin' from.

Good is good. Evil is evil.

Your hand-wringing and unbelief over these concepts cannot negate their validity. Only in your neighborhood of make-believe.

Thank God we have a president who believes in right and wrong and is definitely on the Right side.




And the "Vladimirs" of the world? They might make a lot of noise on messaage boards, but they will not likely ever have much real effect. The willingly ignorant will never be reached, so let's just defeat them and save ourselves some effort.