Polar Air Cargo to be Sold!!!!!

[PHXFLYR]

This is pretty much what we are hearing. The company wants the merger, The Polar MEC is ready to move forward (they have certified our list), now we are all just waiting for the Atlas MEC. We are hearing they do not want to move forward and are stalling the whole process and ALPA National and the Company are not happy about it. I guess Atlas still has not even certified their list, which is one of the first steps in the PID process.

Pretty amazing that we set our PID date within days of the USAirways/AMW merger PID and they are way ahead of us.

WE ARE ???!!!???


PHXFLYR

 

[furloughfodder]

Well, from what I understand, you guys have certified your seniority lists, and picked an arbitrator...which is a big process since you started with 17 potential arbitrators and have narrowed down to the final one already.

Polar has certified their seniority list, but I am not sure if Atlas has even done that yet...maybe an Atlas guy can clarify. As far as the arbitrator goes, neither side has even started to think about this since the Atlas MEC won't meet with the company or the Polar MEC since they are convinced Polar is being sold.

By the way, how is that sale going guys? It has been a few months now since the first few Atlas guys started cheering "Polar is sold!! Polar is Sold!!"...and here we all still are, one big happy AWWH family!

 

[Classicdriver]

I've only received two certified letters this year. One from the Polar SBC and one from Alpa National saying forget the first one. Nothing from Atlas MEC dealing with Seniority "lists"? Remember, we have two. Don't ask. I don't know why we have two.....we just do.

 

[furloughfodder]

It is all part of the ALPA merger and fragmentaion policy manual. Both groups first need to certify that their individual seniortiy lists are correct before moving forward and trying to merge them. It is the first step. All the Polar pilots have recieved these letters and sent them back certified as of the 6th of March. The Atlas MEC should be sending these out soon.

The next step in the process is to pick an arbitrator. That is supposed to begin soon also...

 

[cfire]

If I remember correctly, ALPA national put a 60 day hold on the process due to rumors that Polar is getting sold. Something about not wanting to spend the money on a merger that doesn't happen if Polar gets sold.

Getting an arbitor is probably a good idea. I think we all know the relationship between us was pretty much sabotaged a number of years back with many-many different acts to reinforce our distrust afterwards.

I'm curious, just what incentive does the Atlas side have to merge with the Polar group? Since Polar is pushing for it, it makes me very suspicious judging on actions of the past. Makes me think it would favor only Polar since you are all-of-a sudden interested in merging.

Personally, I would prefer Polar getting sold and becoming someone elses problem. With that done, we can turn our attention to AACS which was used in the same way Polar was against Atlas and accommodate our paying ACMI customers requesting more aircraft.

 

[furloughfodder]

The problem is, Polar is not being sold....and there is no evidence or reason to assume they are. The reason Polar wants to merge is so that the joint labor group can put their problems behind them and focus on the real problem: Managements continued efforts to lower our quality of life.

 

[Classicdriver]

The problem is, Polar is not being sold....and there is no evidence or reason to assume they are. The reason Polar wants to merge is so that the joint labor group can put their problems behind them and focus on the real problem: Managements continued efforts to lower our quality of life.

Hey Fodder,
I wonder what all the Purchase big wigs are doing in Denver. I know, signing for some more sim time, yea that's it.

 

[Tomct]

Well it seems to me that it would be more advantageous for the two companies to merge so that they had a stronger voice at the negotiations table on the next run! Good Luck guys/gals!

 

[furloughfodder]

Well it seems to me that it would be more advantageous for the two companies to merge so that they had a stronger voice at the negotiations table on the next run! Good Luck guys/gals!

Most Polar pilots agree with this. Classicdriver probably also believes that Haffa killed Kennedy.

The only way we are going to get anywhere is to unite. Unfortunately, people like Classicdriver (and Caputo, the Atlas MEC Vice Chairtool) are against this.

The longer the company can keep us at each others throats, the longer they prevail. If you read the latest Polar MEC VARS message, you will see that Polar is ready to put our differences behind us and move forward together, even after what Atlas (allegedly) did to us during our strike. This speaks volumes for the character of the Polar pilots.

United, we can be a true force to be reckoned with, divided we fall.

 

[Classicdriver]

Most Polar pilots agree with this. Classicdriver probably also believes that Haffa killed Kennedy.

The only way we are going to get anywhere is to unite. Unfortunately, people like Classicdriver (and Caputo, the Atlas MEC Vice Chairtool) are against this.

The longer the company can keep us at each others throats, the longer they prevail. If you read the latest Polar MEC VARS message, you will see that Polar is ready to put our differences behind us and move forward together, even after what Atlas (allegedly) did to us during our strike. This speaks volumes for the character of the Polar pilots.

United, we can be a true force to be reckoned with, divided we fall.

And if anyone believes that, I've got a bridge I'll sell them. You got to be joking. Your group posts a 160 Atlas Pilot SCAB list and now you want everyone to believe that you want to be one big happy family.

Here's the story folks. Twelve months ago, the Polar MEC didn't want to have anything to do with Atlas. It was a failed concept and Polar was making all the money (their belief only). As a part of the strike settlement, the Polar MEC agreed to move the merger process along. They drug their feet until serious talk came to light about a sale. All of a sudden, out of the kindness of their hearts, they now want to be a united front against AAWH. What they want is for Atlas to share in any pain that may be coming their way. Be it attempted furloughs, or sale without the pilots. Pure and simple.

And Fodder, even if your not sold, that doesn't mean you weren't for sale. A lot of deals fall thru along the way. Ask Atlas about how close we were to being sold to FedEx. Not a rumour....very true. It fell apart because Chowdry wanted a title and big job with Fred Smith's airline, and he'd have no part of it.

Just take a deep breath and relax. ALPA National wanted a sixty day extention for a reason. They want the sale stuff to happen or be done with, then we will be focused on the merger process or saying adios.

 

[cfire]

CLICK HERE FOR THE Atlas/Polar DISPUTE SITE

The only way we are going to get anywhere is to unite. Unfortunately, people like Classicdriver (and Caputo, the Atlas MEC Vice Chairtool) are against this.

The longer the company can keep us at each others throats, the longer they prevail.

I have always contended that Atlas/Polar would be a force to be dealt with combined. Unfortunately, everytime management wants to divide us they just toss out another carrot (there have been many times) for the Polar group which the Polar MEC jumps on and then say's "What?" when Polar leaves the Atlas group hanging in the wind despite any combined agreement.

We have tried to work with the Polar group a number of times only to be violated over and over again. Kicked in the teeth and stabbed in the back. Not a great basis to build further trust on.

If you read the latest Polar MEC VARS message, you will see that Polar is ready to put our differences behind us and move forward together, even after what Atlas (allegedly) did to us during our strike. This speaks volumes for the character of the Polar pilots.

Bobb Henderson said the same things before and we were violated again. I see a pattern here. The message about the Counciling meeting about two VARS back over the Counciling meeting with AFL-CIO ex-President was halarious or done with the extreme amount of literary license. Almost to the point of being false. What adds to this is that Atlas management and the Polar group wants this merger which tells me we are getting bent over the table again.

See where we have been and the Character of the Polar MEC past and present. If you have the flash plugin for your browser click on the Atlas Presentation to the ALPA Board of Directors on this page. Click on each image to continue to the next page of the slide show. To date, no lawsuits or Aritcle 8 charges have been filed over this presentation. So there is truth behind it and verification.

CLICK HERE FOR THE SITE

 

[ABOVE ME]

Ignore This Thread Of Two Doomed Bottom Feeders As They Fade Into Aawh Oblivion, Scabbing And Whining All The Way.

 

[furloughfodder]

And Fodder, even if your not sold, that doesn't mean you weren't for sale.

Everything is for sale. Always.

Good luck to both our groups, we are going to need it.

PS - cfire, I think you need to rename that site 'The Atlas MEC Propaganda Portal'.

 

[cfire]

Everything is for sale. Always.

The Polar MEC has proven that more than once.

PS - cfire, I think you need to rename that site 'The Atlas MEC Propaganda Portal'.

I'm not trying to convince any of the Polar group of anything. It's already too late since that membership is kept in the dark and feed manure of the Polar MEC's design.

I'm just trying to intervene were the Polar membership has been incited by their MEC to trash the Atlas group to the industry.

Everything on that site is factual and provable by documents or third party witness. Probably why there have been no Article 8 charges or lawsuits filed.

The Polar is not as Magnanimous as they think fact Site

 

[Whale Rider]

Well it seems to me that it would be more advantageous for the two companies to merge so that they had a stronger voice at the negotiations table on the next run! Good Luck guys/gals!

I agree with you. You'd think it would be pretty straight foward. "One Band-One Sound". But in avaition, we will take the most difficult path possible.