Please vote NO on S.65!

[semperfido]

The better question is "Why" didn't you prepare for retirement?

It is too easy to throw that one out there. Plans change, situations change, the norm changes, economic environment changes and Laws change. The age 60 rule is as old as Methusela (whoever he was).

 

[miles otoole]

Corporate jet goes down with 4 pax and a 70 year old at controls=page 10 of local paper. 747-400 with 400 pax goes down 65 year old at the controls=on the cover of every paper in the world. You must be in the 1% of people who don't understand this simple analogy of what constitutes heavy.

So with that reasoning, if the media and the public say that airline pilots are overpaid, then it must be true. Oh, but I'll bet you are the first one to throw the newspaper guys under the bus and call them and the rest of the public idiots.

 

[Flopgut]

It is too easy to throw that one out there. Plans change, situations change, the norm changes, economic environment changes and Laws change. The age 60 rule is as old as Methusela (whoever he was).

So if things change again, say your Beemer needs a rather expensive brake job or your in need of cosmetic surgery, in 6-7 years are you going to need to work indefinitly? Are you going to insist then, like you are now, that this is discrimination and you should be allowed to occupy the pinnacle of this profession forever?

This change is too far reaching and does little for people who really need it and too much for those who should not. If you are a senior captain and 55+ then you have benefited from this rule your entire career. You knew when you were going to retire. Why aren't you ready?

I bring this up because, as I have mentioned in another thread, this very same thing became a reality in my own family many years ago. We had to gut it out, and we did. If any of you unprepared potential retirees were half as capable as you portray yourselves you could secure another position.

 

[G4G5]

154,500 lbs max takeoff wt isn't heavy in anyone's book--literally, or figuratively--corporate or 121. You missed my point: Corporate jet goes down with 4 pax and a 70 year old at controls=page 10 of local paper. 747-400 with 400 pax goes down 65 year old at the controls=on the cover of every paper in the world. You must be in the 1% of people who don't understand this simple analogy of what constitutes heavy.

What class is a 757?
Here is a little FYI, when flight 77 left DCA for LAX it had 35,510 lbs of fuel
What class is a 767?
How much more fuel does a 767 need to get to LAX?

A fully loaded G5 holds over 41,000 pounds of fuel.

You missed the point, a Global Express, G5 or BBJ could be loaded with more fuel then American 77 had on board.

You must be part of the 1% that doesn't understand the kind of HEAVY damage 41,000 pounds of jet fuel can cause.

 

[b757driver]

So if things change again, say your Beemer needs a rather expensive brake job or your in need of cosmetic surgery, in 6-7 years are you going to need to work indefinitly? Are you going to insist then, like you are now, that this is discrimination and you should be allowed to occupy the pinnacle of this profession forever?

This change is too far reaching and does little for people who really need it and too much for those who should not. If you are a senior captain and 55+ then you have benefited from this rule your entire career. You knew when you were going to retire. Why aren't you ready?

I bring this up because, as I have mentioned in another thread, this very same thing became a reality in my own family many years ago. We had to gut it out, and we did. If any of you unprepared potential retirees were half as capable as you portray yourselves you could secure another position.

And you, sir, are making far too many assumptions....you don't know other people's circumstances just like we don't know yours. Ready? Ready for what? To retire when YOU say so! I don't think so. That is akin to me saying that you should get another job if you don't like it but that is, of course, nonsense. Nobody is saying forever, just the "normal" retirement age. Nobody is making a fuss about the rest of the world and other industries. Why are we so special? We are NOT!
It's about CHOICE, not mandating what you and I should do. Either way, it's on the way. Get prepared.....change is always painful and oftentimes resisted.

 

[semperfido]

Are you going to insist then, like you are now, that this is discrimination and you should be allowed to occupy the pinnacle of this profession forever?

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probably not forever, but maybe 62 or 63. It should be a personal choice, up to the individual. It isn't all about finances and i sure don't want you deciding what i can live on.

 

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Commerce Committee Approves Legislation to
Amend the Age Restriction for Pilots



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Washington, D.C. – The U.S. Senate Commerce, Science, and Transportation Committee today approved a substitute amendment offered by Senator Burns to S. 65, a bill to amend age restrictions for pilots, by voice vote. The bill was introduced by Senator James Inhofe (R-Okla.).

Since 1960, federal regulations have specified that individuals age 60 and older may not serve as airline pilots on any commercial flights. The European Joint Aviation Authority (JAA) permits airline pilots to fly up to age 65, but also requires that another pilot on the flight be age 60 or younger. The International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO) has proposed adopting a worldwide standard based on the JAA standard.

The Burns substitute directs the U.S. Department of Transportation (DOT) Secretary to adopt the ICAO standard or recommended practice within 30 days after the ICAO acts on the matter. ICAO is scheduled to consider the measure in November 2006. The DOT is only authorized to adopt the new modification if it is consistent with the previously agreed upon Air Navigation Commission directive which allows commercial carrier pilots-in-command to fly up to their 65th birthday, if the co-pilot is 60 years old or younger.

As in the underlying bill, the Burns substitute allows pilots, who have previously been terminated or had a cessation of employment at a commercial air carrier because of the Age 60 restriction, to seek re-employment at a commercial air carrier. However, pilots cannot file suit to gain re-employment and cannot file suit to reclaim seniority under any labor agreement in effect between a recognized bargaining unit for pilots and an air carrier engaged in commercial operations.

The substitute requires the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) to submit a report to both Senate and House authorizing committees of jurisdiction concerning the effects, if any, the age modification change has on aviation safety.

The bill now proceeds to the full Senate for its consideration.

<A href="http://commerce.senate.gov/pdf/age60-3.pdf">Click here for a copy of Senator Burns' substitute.


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[TIS]

Someone's avatar is gonna get banned!

 

[sandman2122]

What a crock of s**t: If you're over age 60 your F/O has to be under 60.

They just admitted there's an underlying SAFETY problem.

Let's wait til next year to see if it's even addressed by the icao GEEKS.

Hopefully the full Senate has some common sense and disapproves it.

 

[ultrarunner]

As in the underlying bill, the Burns substitute allows pilots, who have previously been terminated or had a cessation of employment at a commercial air carrier because of the Age 60 restriction, to seek re-employment at a commercial air carrier. However, pilots cannot file suit to gain re-employment and cannot file suit to reclaim seniority under any labor agreement in effect

Well, this pretty much assures those that are gone, will stay gone. Although there will be a few that just can't wait to be the plug on the list....

...could you imagine...