Plans to let Pilots Fly Airliners Without Ever Going Solo

[waverider]

This idea is ridiculus, but it's a sign of the times....

I think I'll get the popcorn ready.

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/061203/ukf009.html?.v=66

 

[Baze]

dee, dee-dee

Unbelievable...

 

[RJP]

Sounds like a great idea to me. Just make sure the captain plugs the RNAV approach into the FMS before he croaks. Teach the FO to select auto-land and auto-brakes. Shut down on the runway after landing.

We're one step closer to the pilot and the dog scenario.

 

[ReportCanoa]

Sounds like a great idea to me. Just make sure the captain plugs the RNAV approach into the FMS before he croaks. Teach the FO to select auto-land and auto-brakes. Shut down on the runway after landing.

That scenario is taught exactly that way at Ryanair of Dublin. They have 200 hr pilots flying 737NG's. Don't worry, the future of air travel is in the hands of people no more skilled or intelligent than the average janitor. Compensation will be commensurate.

 

[YourPilotFriend]

That scenario is taught exactly that way at Ryanair of Dublin. They have 200 hr pilots flying 737NG's. Don't worry, the future of air travel is in the hands of people no more skilled or intelligent than the average janitor. Compensation will be commensurate.

Those 200 hr ryanair wonders make almost $100K a year. The market value of a pilot in the US is lower than anywhere else in the world.

 

[BobbyBiplane]

Those 200 hr ryanair wonders make almost $100K a year. The market value of a pilot in the US is lower than anywhere else in the world.

And they work a hell of a lot harder to get that pay.

Bob

 

[ReportCanoa]

Those 200 hr ryanair wonders make almost $100K a year. The market value of a pilot in the US is lower than anywhere else in the world.

Not as good as that, really. I think you will find a low-time FO making on the order of $50,000/annum.

That's good business practice.

 

[relief tube]

this ain't that much different from 21 yr-old 300 hour wonders working at mesa..

 

[Turtlesfly]

What the hell is a "Multi-Crew License?"

First of all, they're called certificates (because it is a privledge to to fly, not a constitutional right)

And second of all, what does "multi-crew" mean? There's a school in Florida selling a course by that name -- multiple crews flying together? When I fly in "one crew" that means 3 people and we fly together. If you get a "multi-crew" license does that mean you have to have 4 people in the cockpit?

WTF?

 

[ackattacker]

What the hell is a "Multi-Crew License?"

First of all, they're called certificates (because it is a privledge to to fly, not a constitutional right)

And second of all, what does "multi-crew" mean? There's a school in Florida selling a course by that name -- multiple crews flying together? When I fly in "one crew" that means 3 people and we fly together. If you get a "multi-crew" license does that mean you have to have 4 people in the cockpit?

WTF?

Only in America are they called certificates. Basically everywhere else they are called licenses. ATPL = Airline Transport Pilot License. They usually come with expiration dates, also. I don't know what constitutional rights have to do with it, I have a valid driver's "license" but last time I checked driving wasn't a constitutional right either.

But I agree that "multi-crew" seems redundant.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

This was adressed at the ALPA 2006 BOD. There are links on the ALPA website so that you may view them. Don't let the media and FI be your information source.

Get informed then support the efforts to defend this profession....

 

[Turtlesfly]

Only in America are they called certificates. Basically everywhere else they are called licenses. ATPL = Airline Transport Pilot License. They usually come with expiration dates, also. I don't know what constitutional rights have to do with it, I have a valid driver's "license" but last time I checked driving wasn't a constitutional right either.

But I agree that "multi-crew" seems redundant.

No I didn't mean a driver's license is your constitutional right - I just was implying that the ticket was issued by an agency that grants the privledge and can take it away without going through the legal court system blah blah.

 

[SEVEN]

Those 200 hr ryanair wonders make almost $100K a year. The market value of a pilot in the US is lower than anywhere else in the world.

It's nice to see the "Signature" YPF avatar back. Good to see you again Bunny Bee.

 

[igneousy2]

this ain't that much different from 21 yr-old 300 hour wonders working at mesa..

What are you talking about...it's a huge difference.

This is why i will not fly any of these foreign airlines. And they have a safety record to show it.

We all know how much hand holding is possible if you have two pilots in the cockpit. That is why you MUST do your solo flights solo for you private. No chance of an overly helpful CFI.

This is ridicules.

Later

 

[The_Russian]

You can blame all of these problems on your local FAA and AOPA! Thanks for makin' GA a recuiting path......Get Anybody!

 

[Lear70]

You can blame all of these problems on your local FAA and AOPA! Thanks for makin' GA a recuiting path......Get Anybody!

Hardly.

It's a foreign issue being pushed in the U.S. and receiving obviously overwhelming opposition.

Flying solo is imperative to good decision-making skill development. Hell, I wish it was a requirement for everyone to have to fly about 1000 hours of multiengine single pilot 135, but I don't get to make the rules.

The more they "dumb down" the profession, the more they will "dumb down" our salary. There has to be a cutoff somewhere in becoming a "PROFESSIONAL" pilot, not a button-pushing wunderkid.

I agree with RJP:

We're one step closer to the pilot and the dog scenario.