Pinnacle

[silver02ex]

The latest vacancy that just came out yesterday had 34 FO's in it. 28 of them were in DTW.

So...hope is not all lost for people looking to come here.

I'm one of the new hire that was put in DTW. My first choice was MSP

 

[ataopsdave]

MSP is pretty hard to get right now...That base has been shrinking for the pst years while DTW and MEM have grown

 

[Grinder10]

Special Message from Trenary

Last Friday I let you know that Northwest had formally notified us that negotiations on our contract would begin this week, and that an agreement with our pilots would be a pre-requisite to any agreement. I had hoped that we would be unable to meet with the negotiating committee this week; however, we were informed today that the committee would not be available to meet until September 7th.

We have been asking the negotiating committee to respond to our last proposal since May 25th. As soon as we have this response we will either accept their proposal or respond with our best and final proposal for their consideration. To further delay the process until September 7th places all of our jobs at risk.

Today we filed for mediation with the National Mediation Board (NMB) with respect to the ALPA negotiations. This means that a professional mediator will be assigned to our Pilot negotiations with a stated mission to get the parties to agree to a new contract. This process has no time limit, but we will urge the NMB to give us expedited handling. If we do not reach an agreement and the NMB determines that an impasse exists, it will proffer arbitration to the parties. Thirty days after the proffer is refused by one of the parties, our Airline would be free to implement its last contract proposal, and the union is free to resort to self-help. It is our sincere desire that we reach an agreement with our Pilot's Negotiating Committee. We are hopeful that the NMB can help us achieve this result.

This is the first time in my career that I have had to seek the NMB's assistance in a contract negotiation. While we are reluctant to invoke the services of the NMB, we felt that ALPA's unreasonable conduct at the table and the urgency of getting the Pilot contract promptly, in order to get Northwest business, left us no choice.

I will keep you advised of further developments. Please stay focused and take care of each other.

 

[OMG7778]

Ths is just a good way to blame the pilots for the flying that we are going o lose any way. If the Moron in charge wants a quick resolution to the contract so that we can ge the Northwest flying, going to the NMB is the wrong way to do it. It is a forever process, this guy needs a lesson in basic labor and contract relations, I think the Bozo knows that we are going to lose flying and this is a way that he can put the blame squarely on the pilot group. Lets look at what happened to everyone else in the same situation, sign a consessionary contract to prevent the loss of flying or get more flying and the planes all go away anyway. This is already a done deal, we have heard this music before and know the steps to that dance. If I lose my job here I lose a job that pays about 24K a year, with lousy medical, barely there dental and a joke for a 401K that performs like crap. Yes I lose my job because of bankrupcy I can sleep at night very soundly knowing that the 37,000 some ddd shares of stock that the bozo owns will be worth zero, so I have taken money out of his pocket for a change, and knowing the whole while he could have signed a fair contract to prevent that money from turning to zero. Sure he can get it back later down the road, but it still makes me feel good knowing he is the one that jacked it up trying to be too greedy. So let the beating comence, maybe the company being shut the F down is just the motivation that I need to move on and get a better job away from flying, if the fight is comming I say bring it, enough is enough you cannot take from those who have nothing to take.

Stand Strong, Fly Safe, Fly the Contract

OMG

 

[XJohXJ]

Good luck Pinnacle crews!!! Don't believe the management lies! This is 2006 for chrissakes, there IS enough money to pay employees a decent wage. And remember also, it's not a matter of either XJ or 9E taking a fall for the other, we are BOTH in this battle together. Stand strong (and I'm not fearing for my job over yours...I already lost mine!)

 

[Smarta$$]

Just for the record. No one knows who's getting NW's 70-seaters. The truth is, Pinnacle can't even staff the 120 or so 50/44 seaters they currently have. If they do get 70 seaters, they won't be with Northwest. And NW will not allow Pinnacle to fly for another carrier. So it looks like for now, Pinnacle will be operating their current fleet until NW starts parking the inefficient 50 seaters and operating 70 seaters on those routes.
YPF- Right or Wrong.

Tool.

 

[Detroitpilot22]

Last Friday I let you know that Northwest had formally notified us that negotiations on our contract would begin this week, and that an agreement with our pilots would be a pre-requisite to any agreement. I had hoped that we would be unable to meet with the negotiating committee this week; however, we were informed today that the committee would not be available to meet until September 7th.

We have been asking the negotiating committee to respond to our last proposal since May 25th. As soon as we have this response we will either accept their proposal or respond with our best and final proposal for their consideration. To further delay the process until September 7th places all of our jobs at risk.

Today we filed for mediation with the National Mediation Board (NMB) with respect to the ALPA negotiations. This means that a professional mediator will be assigned to our Pilot negotiations with a stated mission to get the parties to agree to a new contract. This process has no time limit, but we will urge the NMB to give us expedited handling. If we do not reach an agreement and the NMB determines that an impasse exists, it will proffer arbitration to the parties. Thirty days after the proffer is refused by one of the parties, our Airline would be free to implement its last contract proposal, and the union is free to resort to self-help. It is our sincere desire that we reach an agreement with our Pilot's Negotiating Committee. We are hopeful that the NMB can help us achieve this result.

This is the first time in my career that I have had to seek the NMB's assistance in a contract negotiation. While we are reluctant to invoke the services of the NMB, we felt that ALPA's unreasonable conduct at the table and the urgency of getting the Pilot contract promptly, in order to get Northwest business, left us no choice.

I will keep you advised of further developments. Please stay focused and take care of each other.

Just my opinion, but I think you should keep memos like this off sites like this. We have a company alpa website to talk about this stuff on.

 

[OMG7778]

Why? it is not private information. People interested in coming here have a right to know what is going on. Quit drinking the Koolaide, besides that is not alpa information, that is company BS.

 

[Napoleon TNT]

OK, delete GRINDERS post, and then read this one...same info...

Pinnacle to Negotiate Flying With NWa
Wednesday August 23, 5:50 pm ET Pinnacle Airlines Says It Will Negotiate Flying With NWA

MINNEAPOLIS (AP) -- Northwest Airlines Corp. feeder carrier Pinnacle Airlines Corp. said on Wednesday that the two airlines will negotiate a new flying agreement once it makes a deal with its pilots.
Northwest had put its regional flying out for bids, and several carriers have pursued the business, including current regional carriers Pinnacle and Mesaba Aviation Inc. Both companies fly only for Northwest, under the Northwest Airlink name.
In a Securities and Exchange Commission filing on Wednesday, Memphis, Tenn.-based Pinnacle said Northwest agreed to negotiate a new flying agreement once Pinnacle settles a new contract with pilots.
Pinnacle said it asked federal mediators to step into its talks with pilots on Tuesday, but said it didn't know when the process would wrap up.
Pinnacle spokesman Phil Reed said he didn't know whether Northwest planned to negotiate with other regional carriers as well.
Northwest filed for bankruptcy protection in September, and Mesaba followed about a month later. Pinnacle, which operates 124 regional jets, has avoided Chapter 11.
Northwest spokesman Kurt Ebenhoch said the proposed talks with Pinnacle are "part of the proposal review process. We are continuing to evaluate proposals from a number of regional aircraft operators. No decision has been made."

 

[Flyer1015]

Let me help you out:

http://news.moneycentral.msn.com/ticker/article.asp?Feed=AP&Date=20060823&ID=5967317&Symbol=USNCL


MINNEAPOLIS (AP) - Northwest Airlines Corp. feeder carrier Pinnacle Airlines Corp. said on Wednesday that the two airlines will negotiate a new flying agreement once it makes a deal with its pilots.
Northwest had put its regional flying out for bids, and several carriers have pursued the business, including current regional carriers Pinnacle and Mesaba Aviation Inc. Both companies fly only for Northwest, under the Northwest Airlink name.

In a Securities and Exchange Commission filing on Wednesday, Memphis, Tenn.-based Pinnacle said Northwest agreed to negotiate a new flying agreement once Pinnacle settles a new contract with pilots.
Pinnacle said it asked federal mediators to step into its talks with pilots on Tuesday, but said it didn't know when the process would wrap up.
Pinnacle spokesman Phil Reed said he didn't know whether Northwest planned to negotiate with other regional carriers as well.
Northwest filed for bankruptcy protection in September, and Mesaba followed about a month later. Pinnacle, which operates 124 regional jets, has avoided Chapter 11.
Northwest spokesman Kurt Ebenhoch said the proposed talks with Pinnacle are "part of the proposal review process. We are continuing to evaluate proposals from a number of regional aircraft operators. No decision has been made."

 

[Napoleon TNT]

yeah....my edit finger is slow...

 

[Dumb Pilot]

They could have had an agreement yesterday if they wanted. The MEC submitted a very good proposal that would bring improvements in QOL issues and increase F/O pay and a modest raise for Capt. Pay. The proposal is fair and honorable taking into consideration the negotiating environment. We are NOT seeking to be the best paid at all, because your QOL is as important if not more than hourly rate.
But instead, they want to bully us into accepting a substandard contract that will put us even bellow MESA. With the threat of NWA taking all their flying away Yadda, Yadda.
If they want to impose MESA wages, they can actually have MESA.
Union Busting Central in Eagan, MN. Is holding the strings on this one. If you look at our management team at the right angle and on the right lite, you can actually see the strings.

The only little detail that Union Busting Central doesn't understand Is that the difference this time is that the majority of the pilot group is young enough to start again, the majority of the pilot group is not trying to protect retirement (There isn't any to protect), We don't have three books in this pilot group and we are something of an oddity in the Red Tail Family because the Airlinkers are actually behind their MEC's 1000% (I didn't misprint the additional zero)
Stop disrupting the life's of the MESABA workers and stop your whipsaw BS.

You need a contract in a hurry? GET REAL THEN.

 

[xjlifer]

They could have had an agreement yesterday if they wanted. The MEC submitted a very good proposal that would bring improvements in QOL issues and increase F/O pay and a modest raise for Capt. Pay. The proposal is fair and honorable taking into consideration the negotiating environment. We are NOT seeking to be the best paid at all, because your QOL is as important if not more than hourly rate.
But instead, they want to bully us into accepting a substandard contract that will put us even bellow MESA. With the threat of NWA taking all their flying away Yadda, Yadda.
If they want to impose MESA wages, they can actually have MESA.
Union Busting Central in Eagan, MN. Is holding the strings on this one. If you look at our management team at the right angle and on the right lite, you can actually see the strings.

The only little detail that Union Busting Central doesn't understand Is that the difference this time is that the majority of the pilot group is young enough to start again, the majority of the pilot group is not trying to protect retirement (There isn't any to protect), We don't have three books in this pilot group and we are something of an oddity in the Red Tail Family because the Airlinkers are actually behind their MEC's 1000% (I didn't misprint the additional zero)
Stop disrupting the life's of the MESABA workers and stop your whipsaw BS.

You need a contract in a hurry? GET REAL THEN.

Amen...well said. Your XJ brothers stand with you 1000% ( that was not a misprint either)

 

[another cfii]

I think all the Sat. Fedex letters just show how desperate mgmt are to get us to sign on the dotted line. But ironically, it's them who don't "get it"...

They don't really understand we don't give a darn if they paint us as the "bad guy", and the guys sitting in the ac conditioned room in MEM are the almighty labor savior.

There's a point where they stir the hornet's nest, and i believe they did just that.

When we step into NMB, which is gonna take forever, they'll know they mess with the wrong group of pilots. A lot of us here is a lot more militant than mgmt think we are, even the newbies...

 

[OMG7778]

Agreed, the scorched earth theory applies here. Burn them to the ground if they thing about concessions, they have not even started to see bitter yet.

 

[BOHICAgain]

the "BEST OFFER" was a joke... it seemed worse than the one we currently have... If this "BEST OFFER" somehow comes down for a vote the results better be 99.5% NO.... (someone will vote yes by mistake)... NOT 63 to 37 like big red tail pilots... STFDN

 

[MACH-TUCK]

the "BEST OFFER" was a joke... it seemed worse than the one we currently have... If this "BEST OFFER" somehow comes down for a vote the results better be 99.5% NO.... (someone will vote yes by mistake)... NOT 63 to 37 like big red tail pilots... STFDN

Its not the loud "NO" vote that im worried about, its the silent "YES" vote thats a killer.......

 

[blackbox]

i would like to think there isnt a "silent yes" among us because the contract they offered is so crappy. I cant imagine anyone voting yes....i hope i am right.

 

[dondk]

there is a silent "yes" vote, there always will be.

a "few" notes to remember, some of the senior guys cannot afford or are willing to go out on a long strike and the contract does not impact them as much as the junior group. Guys who are short timers (have other career options) have no vested interest either. Finally as the MEC letter states, the promise/threat of job security to the really junior pilots can be a silent yes.

the silent yes may not be by choice, but by survival.

the question is how many silent yes votes.

 

[n32jk]

I think it is fair game that these letters are posted publicly. Other pilots can see what to expect when these letters start flying at their properties.

I have been seeing these EXACT letters (oh the trivial issues and names change but they are essentially the same) every contract time for DECADES......

If anyone should be unhappy it should be Mike Campbell..... he wrote most of this crap for Ford and Harrison...

Oh wait doesn't he work for delta now???? just gonna help the boys in ATL see things the corporate way!!!

It ain't new,,,it ain't special,,, it sure ain't gonna stop in my lifetime......

But it sure does still p%^& me off that I get this junk mail along with all the overdue bills...(cause I'm paid so much I guess)..........