Pinnacle

[CX880]

How many pilots commute to work at Pcl?

 

[EMB Skillz]

Thanks for the responses! Got a couple more questions...


*Current Upgrade time?

That depends on how much money you have. Just ask PCL_128!

 

[waterski_heavy]

Got an email from them. "Come to our job seminar if you have 350TT." Just curious but how much good is a 350 hour pilot when the crap hits the fan?

Just got through a class and two 500 hour pilots are qualified in the crj700 and two guys with over 4000 hours washed out in the sim.......if the training is quality....it is more than enough.

 

[EMB Skillz]

Keep it up, Rich! Someone needs to tell the truth about this place, because the company certainly won't when the newbies show up to interview. For the pilots out there that are thinking about coming to work at Pinnacle, listen to Lear70's words very carefully. He speaks the truth about this company, and you deserve to know the truth before coming here. Pilots are terminated often (especially probationary pilots) without just cause, you will be disciplined for calling in sick or fatigued, you will be junior-manned and extended just so the company can understaff the airline at absurd levels, and the list goes on and on. Come here if you need some quick part 121 jet time, otherwise, there are much better options.

Where did you expect to end up after PFT Academy, American Airlines?

 

[Flex 20]

Serial Whiners

PCL_128 and Lear70 have been PCL's serial whiners for some time, both here and on our union message board. Take EVERYTHING they say with a grain of salt and listen to the majority when it comes to our airline. Lear_70 has the well-earned reputation of being "one of those guys" to fly with, a nightmare from a CRM perspective. But that's not his fault.

I'd agree that PCL is somewhere in the middle regarding QOL issues, pay, etc. But if you do your job and show up on time, the company treats you as an adult. I know that one of my 2 esteemed colleagues mentioned above has had consistent issues with previous employers, and gotten him into laughably ridiculous binds with our management. But that wouldn't be his fault.

We have many experienced CA's and FO's here furloughed from majors, as well as many transferees from other regionals. I personally am glad to see the GA program go away, but tons of regionals have used bridge or ab initio programs for years. The low-time FO is not Pinnacle-specific by any means. I'd rather have a 500-hour FO with a good attitude than a 5000-hour FO that's pis$ed off at the world!

The staffing levels do leave something to be desired at times (such as right now due to attrition) and management's reactive stance is definitely frustrating. What the whiners here fail to mention is how that same managment secured, at one time, 129 CRJ's, including about half of those in around a year. You don't hear them whining about the quick upgrade or street captain hiring, do you??

Complain too much and you: 1) look ignorant for choosing your employer, and/or 2) don't have the ball$ to do something about it.

PCL is what you make of it. Want a career here? Remind yourself that it's not a major (PCL_128 would benefit from this) regarding work rules, pay, days off, equipment, etc. and you'll be happy.

 

[Lear70]

PCL_128 and Lear70 have been PCL's serial whiners for some time, both here and on our union message board. Take EVERYTHING they say with a grain of salt and listen to the majority when it comes to our airline.

Serial whiners? That's pretty funny... Yet you didn't contradict anything I said directly. Care to tell me where I'm wrong about management?

Case in point, Pinnacle has more active grievances pending with management THAN ANY OTHER AIRLINE IN THE WORLD! That's not a rumor, that's a fact, just ask S.E. or anyone on the CCC or NC.

FACT: I have more active grievances on file with Pinnacle than most airlines have TOTAL GRIEVANCES FOR THEIR ENTIRE PILOT GROUP. This isn't because I turn in frivolous grievances (the union won't pursue those), it's because management doesn't care about the contract or their pilot's quality of life and I won't put up with someone violating my contract.

Again, if I'm wrong here, please tell me EXACTLY HOW the company has demonstrated their good will towards labor...?

Secondly, EVERYONE and EVERYTHING you read on Flightinfo should be taken with a grain of salt. It's easy to hide behind the cover of anonymity and throw stones, perpetuate rumors, and outright lie (like Flex 20 and his/her 13 posts). If you're coming here for info, verify and reverify with known sources before you believe it.

Lear_70 has the well-earned reputation of being "one of those guys" to fly with, a nightmare from a CRM perspective. But that's not his fault.

That's borderline laughable coming from someone who is hiding their identity (and has no track record here on Flightinfo for posting reliable, believable information). Like I said before, if you don't have the cajones to come out and say it to my face or tell us who you are, then your assertions have absolutely ZERO credibility.

Incidentally, if my CRM was THAT bad, my sim training record wouldn't look as spotless as it does at all my previous employers (including PCL) and I would have been called by the company and/or pro standards about it at least ONCE within 5 years of being a CA there (especially with all the 2 and 3 year guys and gals I flew with and you're saying that NONE of them ever said anything to ANYONE that I was that much of a problem? Yeah, sure). But nope, no phone calls, no carpet crawls, and I just got my copy of my training records back from PCL as part of my PRIA check; nothing but glowing comments.

Nice try, though. Good for flamebait, if nothing else. Have a good morning, gotta go study...

 

[PCL_128]

PCL_128 and Lear70 have been PCL's serial whiners for some time, both here and on our union message board. Take EVERYTHING they say with a grain of salt and listen to the majority when it comes to our airline.

Serial whiners? Whatever you say, boss. I guess you feel that the level of terminations at this company is normal? Do you think that getting called into the office to explain yourself for a sick call is just industry standard? Ask some of your probationary FOs about how secure they feel their jobs are. Most of the probationary pilots I fly with are always worried that they'll be out of a job for the slightest misstep. Do you think that's just ok?

Lear_70 has the well-earned reputation of being "one of those guys" to fly with, a nightmare from a CRM perspective. But that's not his fault.

Now that's pretty dang funny! I don't think I've ever heard a single pilot complain about flying with Rich. I flew with him a few times a couple of years ago, and I definitely had no complaints.

What the whiners here fail to mention is how that same managment secured, at one time, 129 CRJ's, including about half of those in around a year.

LOL! You can't possibly belive this! Phil and company didn't "secure" anything. They are nothing but pawns of NWA management, and they get whatever scraps that Steenland (and Anderson before him) and their director buddies throw to them. Nothing that Phil, Doug, Buddy, or anyone else in senior management does will have any effect on what airplanes we get from Northwest.

Complain too much and you: 1) look ignorant for choosing your employer, and/or 2) don't have the ball$ to do something about it.

Don't have the balls to do something about it, huh? So where on the MEC roster in the newsletter can I find your name? What committee position or elected office do you hold? What are you doing to make this place better? Since Rich and I have both been long-time Association volunteers, I find it insulting that you would say we have done nothing to improve the situation around here. We may complain, but both of us worked to improve things. What have you done to serve your fellow pilots?

 

[FlyBunny]

Quality comes from experience. And the way to get true experience is through quanity. Don't tell me that some 300 hour pilot is more qualified than a 3000 hour pilot. I'm sure in very RARE cases there is some "Super Pilot" who is better. But in almost every case, the more hours you have, the better qualified you are. Why? EXPERIENCE! Would you want a Doctor who's only performed 10 heart surgeries working on you, or a Doctor with 20 years experience who has done 5000 heart surgeries?
Sorry, but your premise that Low-time pilots are just as qualified as Higher -time pilots is at best rediculous.

Quality comes from experience…I disagree…then how come military pilots all over the world get their licenses and fly on deadly missions with lot less hours than required to go to the Majors.

You can stay ‘stuck’ in the so-called ‘higher number equates to more experience, hence I deserve more than this low time pilot’ debate for long as you like, but you can never quantify how much experience makes a good pilot. It’s VERY SUBJECTIVE! I just told you in my previous post to look at how Europeans hire very low time pilots in to planes as big as 747-400s. They take our [American beliefs of ‘high time’ competency] theories and blow them out of the water on daily, but we can sit here debate all day long that more hours = competency/ good experience.

Yes, indeed, a pilot with more hours flown has more experience in the cockpit, but what kind of experience s/he had? Two of the previous examples I gave about XJ pilots out of Twin Cites (FCM CFIs) were known as ‘Closed Pattern MEIs’ – they would never take the PA44 out of the pattern on their own. Both of them flew it away from the pattern when they had the other person with them. They didn’t even want to teach in it. They logged most of their time by buying the ‘block time’ and flew together in a VFR only. What kind of experience would you call that? Again, not everyone is like those two and I’m sure there are hundred of examples, but we’d stop here.

One thing you’re completely overlooking is that the Command of these regional airlines still require fair amount of experience in a particular make and model. Still, if you’re aware of 2nd WW flying, there were 19-year olds who commanded the massive bombers over Europe and did quite well.

Your analogy of medical doctors is almost laughable. Have you ever asked the surgeon operating on you how many people s/he has operated on before? Being a professional pilot, even if you’re with the best major (whatever that is) or the best corporate flight department, most likely your health insurance would only allow you to see the cheapest form of medical practice: the top-of-the-class graduates (the smartest and ones with most experienced) are working in very expensive Private clinics. In plain English, you’re most likely being operated on by the bottom-of-the-class-graduate surgeons.


Bunny

 

[FlyBunny]

I'm voting this for most unintentionally funny post of the month!
LOLOLOL!!! Sure, what you said buddy. Just so many major airlines out there that don't care about minimum flight times, right?
ROFLMFAO!!!!
Pinnacle is one of the worst three regionals to work for. Unfortunately, you probably don't know any better because you haven't worked anywhere else. Stop drinking the cool aid, no matter how much they tell you the flavor is grape, it still really tastes like sh*t.
And for every one of them I can give you a rebuttal where low time and/or low experience in type equaled accident.
3701 is a perfect example of this; combine a low-time pilot with a low experience-IN-TYPE Captain, add a huge lack of basic aerodynamic knowledge and a little disregard for procedure and you have a smoking hole in the ground.
Oh, that's right, you probably weren't working for PCL at the time so you don't know the story behind the story. I flew with that F/O 3 weeks before the accident and saw the Captain almost every day at work.
I'd also mention the Payne Stewart accident in the Lear with the brand new low-time F/O and the newly type-rated Captain who had almost zero Learjet time. I flew Payne Stewart for Flexjet to the U.S. Open about a month before that accident, I'm still pissed off about it, he was a GREAT guy!
Until people stop putting low experienced people in the cockpit, accidents will continue to happen.
Notice I DID NOT SAY that ALL accidents were attributable to low experience, but enough to say that it's definitely a causal factor and a good reason to hire people with MORE experiance than not.
I agree... unbelievable... that a "professional" pilot would try to argue that experience means nothing. You should know better by now.
Incidentally, Pinnacle is a DECENT place to get some CRJ experience and go to work for SkyWest or a decent regional carrier.
Bad news is I have a $100 bet that, within the next 12 months, PCL announces that Northwest is reducing the airline to 79 - 85 aircraft. Anyone else want some of that action?

So, you’re the one who STILL thinks that flying for a ‘major’ airline [skill wise] is different than flying for a regional or a corporate department? Hhhhmmmm….

Friend, do you believe that learning to fly a CRJ as a brand new F/O is less difficult than learning to fly as a brand new F/O on a 757?

How many times you want me to repeat…BA (perhaps the World’s only truly global and most successful international airline) has repeatedly blown your theory of high-time pilot out of the water. Did you also not know about the 28-year old 747-400 Captain for KLM? And the 23-year old female 757 F/O for BA who had only 300 hours of piston time? Oh…sure…you don’t…you are still caught up in ‘major airline’ requirements in the US.

So, how did you come up with the ‘scale’ to measure 9Es performance as one of the three worst regionals? I have never worked for them but, I have friends who have. I have friends who still are, I have friends who have upgraded and loving flying out of MSP, I have friends who tried to upgrade and didn’t make it, I have friends who are F/Os and Captains and they want to move on to something else. You’d find that in any regional airline.

Five years ago my friend couldn’t get an interview with Comair (F-14 pilot); recently he left to go to NetJets because he thought they sucked. Six years ago, ACA was the name in the game, but at this very time, they are auctioning every remaining piece of property and belonging. Right now Horizon sounds good, five years ago there was a mass exodus to Piedmont. Perhaps the most stable [financially] regional airline is American Eagle, but for some it’s the worst place to work as they have insanely long upgrade time. It would be impossible to come up with a sound ‘process of performance measurement’ that would judge each and every regional and major airline fairly. Personally, most of my friends who fly for Mesa seem to be the happiest bunch.

I haven’t changed my hours since the day I got a nasty PM from someone who scolded me for writing on this forum as a low time CFI. All I can say is that I just finished training on a plane (as a F/O) that has no mechanical input to the flight surfaces…and if you really want to find out…keep your ears and eyes open for a female from the Midwest, who works as a research assistant for a professor in the Pure Math department of a major Midwestern university as her full-time job, and flies for airlines as a hobby.

Ahhh…go ahead…enlightened us all about the United fuel-starving fiasco near PDX. While you’re at it, do educate us about the AA accident at Little Rock where both pilots decided to land with the TS on the field (many died – hope you won’t try to put a spin on it as it was a deliberate attempt – not a mistake). Particularly the one in 1982 when the two pilots took off without following proper procedure and ran (figure of speech) the 737 in to the bridge near DCA.

Yep, it was a blatant disregard for procedures in some cases, but again…what do you have to say about those ‘major’ airline crews who made even worst mistakes than these two comparatively low-time pilots. And please, just don’t get stuck reading the top three examples I gave…buy a book on ‘Air Accidents’ and read few others.

Contrary to your observations, I have read in detail about the accident…in the end you’d find out, when the dust settles, that there should NEVER have been a ‘core-lock’. Even if the crew made multiple mistakes, and there’s no excuse for it, engines SHOULD’VE restarted. The crew messed up, but the plane crashed because the engines DIDN’T restart. Try looking in to how desperately Bombardier is trying to figure out what could’ve prevented the ‘core lock’ – [pure] mathematical modeling will do it for them. And they are working on it. Expect a settlement in this case as Bombardier won’t have a leg to stand on in the end (and I repeat again that the 9E crew indeed is indirectly responsible for the accident]. In a marketing gimmick, Bombardier was too quick to specify Fl410 as the ceiling, but never thought of the scenario those two pilots put themselves in to.

Yep, the Captain on the Lear with almost zero [no such quantity in math unless you’re using figure of speech, which I think you are] didn’t realize the subtle depressurization, but there’s so much more to that accident than just low time pilots. While you’re at it, why don’t you look up the UAL PDX accident when not one, not two, but three flight-deck members were directly responsible for running out of gas. Compared to near-zero Lear experience in Payne Stewart accident, try figuring out the combined total of the UAL/PDX crew on that particular airplane. You’d be surprised.

Besides, you should be unhappy that others died too. Just because PS was a celebrity, his life wasn’t wroth more than anyone else. Or less worth than the others. But, thanks for sharing your close encounter with PS: I once shook hands with Arnold Palmer’s caddie too.

Ummmmmm….here you go again. How can you quantify ‘MORE experience’?

Ever heard of ‘1,500 flight total hours or one hour flown 1,500 times’? But, I know you really go by what majors say. It’s OK.

Wow…talk about contradicting yourself. Now you say it’s a ‘…DECENT place to get some CRJ experience…’; isn’t that what we’re all doing…working for the current outfit to get some ‘DECENT’ flight time so we can move on? So, what’s your point from here on?

And UAL was supposed to fade away and Independence Air was going to give Jet Blue a serious run for their money. In the end what would happen is what the ‘management’ decide to do. This is one industry I wouldn’t bet one dollar on.

Bunny

 

[Longhorn]

I flew with Rich once...and I never complained. He had soft hands, and a smooth touch

um.....never mind, which board is this again

 

[SEVEN]

So, you’re the one who STILL thinks that flying for a ‘major’ airline [skill wise] is different than flying for a regional or a corporate department? Hhhhmmmm….

Friend, do you believe that learning to fly a CRJ as a brand new F/O is less difficult than learning to fly as a brand new F/O on a 757?

How many times you want me to repeat…BA (perhaps the World’s only truly global and most successful international airline) has repeatedly blown your theory of high-time pilot out of the water. Did you also not know about the 28-year old 747-400 Captain for KLM? And the 23-year old female 757 F/O for BA who had only 300 hours of piston time? Oh…sure…you don’t…you are still caught up in ‘major airline’ requirements in the US.

So, how did you come up with the ‘scale’ to measure 9Es performance as one of the three worst regionals? I have never worked for them but, I have friends who have. I have friends who still are, I have friends who have upgraded and loving flying out of MSP, I have friends who tried to upgrade and didn’t make it, I have friends who are F/Os and Captains and they want to move on to something else. You’d find that in any regional airline.

Five years ago my friend couldn’t get an interview with Comair (F-14 pilot); recently he left to go to NetJets because he thought they sucked. Six years ago, ACA was the name in the game, but at this very time, they are auctioning every remaining piece of property and belonging. Right now Horizon sounds good, five years ago there was a mass exodus to Piedmont. Perhaps the most stable [financially] regional airline is American Eagle, but for some it’s the worst place to work as they have insanely long upgrade time. It would be impossible to come up with a sound ‘process of performance measurement’ that would judge each and every regional and major airline fairly. Personally, most of my friends who fly for Mesa seem to be the happiest bunch.

I haven’t changed my hours since the day I got a nasty PM from someone who scolded me for writing on this forum as a low time CFI. All I can say is that I just finished training on a plane (as a F/O) that has no mechanical input to the flight surfaces…and if you really want to find out…keep your ears and eyes open for a female from the Midwest, who works as a research assistant for a professor in the Pure Math department of a major Midwestern university as her full-time job, and flies for airlines as a hobby.

Ahhh…go ahead…enlightened us all about the United fuel-starving fiasco near PDX. While you’re at it, do educate us about the AA accident at Little Rock where both pilots decided to land with the TS on the field (many died – hope you won’t try to put a spin on it as it was a deliberate attempt – not a mistake). Particularly the one in 1982 when the two pilots took off without following proper procedure and ran (figure of speech) the 737 in to the bridge near DCA.

Yep, it was a blatant disregard for procedures in some cases, but again…what do you have to say about those ‘major’ airline crews who made even worst mistakes than these two comparatively low-time pilots. And please, just don’t get stuck reading the top three examples I gave…buy a book on ‘Air Accidents’ and read few others.

Contrary to your observations, I have read in detail about the accident…in the end you’d find out, when the dust settles, that there should NEVER have been a ‘core-lock’. Even if the crew made multiple mistakes, and there’s no excuse for it, engines SHOULD’VE restarted. The crew messed up, but the plane crashed because the engines DIDN’T restart. Try looking in to how desperately Bombardier is trying to figure out what could’ve prevented the ‘core lock’ – [pure] mathematical modeling will do it for them. And they are working on it. Expect a settlement in this case as Bombardier won’t have a leg to stand on in the end (and I repeat again that the 9E crew indeed is indirectly responsible for the accident]. In a marketing gimmick, Bombardier was too quick to specify Fl410 as the ceiling, but never thought of the scenario those two pilots put themselves in to.

Yep, the Captain on the Lear with almost zero [no such quantity in math unless you’re using figure of speech, which I think you are] didn’t realize the subtle depressurization, but there’s so much more to that accident than just low time pilots. While you’re at it, why don’t you look up the UAL PDX accident when not one, not two, but three flight-deck members were directly responsible for running out of gas. Compared to near-zero Lear experience in Payne Stewart accident, try figuring out the combined total of the UAL/PDX crew on that particular airplane. You’d be surprised.

Besides, you should be unhappy that others died too. Just because PS was a celebrity, his life wasn’t wroth more than anyone else. Or less worth than the others. But, thanks for sharing your close encounter with PS: I once shook hands with Arnold Palmer’s caddie too.

Ummmmmm….here you go again. How can you quantify ‘MORE experience’?

Ever heard of ‘1,500 flight total hours or one hour flown 1,500 times’? But, I know you really go by what majors say. It’s OK.

Wow…talk about contradicting yourself. Now you say it’s a ‘…DECENT place to get some CRJ experience…’; isn’t that what we’re all doing…working for the current outfit to get some ‘DECENT’ flight time so we can move on? So, what’s your point from here on?

And UAL was supposed to fade away and Independence Air was going to give Jet Blue a serious run for their money. In the end what would happen is what the ‘management’ decide to do. This is one industry I wouldn’t bet one dollar on.

Bunny

I don't think your reply was long enough. Next time try and elaborate just a little bit more.

 

[EMB Skillz]

I haven’t changed my hours since the day I got a nasty PM from someone who scolded me for writing on this forum as a low time CFI. All I can say is that I just finished training on a plane (as a F/O) that has no mechanical input to the flight surfaces…and if you really want to find out…keep your ears and eyes open for a female from the Midwest, who works as a research assistant for a professor in the Pure Math department of a major Midwestern university as her full-time job, and flies for airlines as a hobby.

Bunny

What we really want to know is: Are you hot?

 

[dal757]

Does Pinnacle have a commuter clause?

 

[Rook]

Lear_70 has the well-earned reputation of being "one of those guys" to fly with, a nightmare from a CRM perspective. But that's not his fault.

Well Lear 70 doesn't need me to defend him but as far as his 'nightmarish' CRM habits, we've flown together on numerous occasions when I was an F/O and we never had any problems. He was one of the most experienced pilots in our new-hire class (747 CA, 737 CA, 727 CA) with the two seven guy being Lear 70. And as far as I know he's never had any line training issues. So yeah I know the company doesn't like vocal guys when it pertains to contract compliance issues, but I gotta disagree about Lear 70 being unsafe because of poor CRM skills.

 

[Reddie]

The problem with Rich (lear 70) is that he took a street captain job and spent 3-4 years on reserve in DTW during a period of extreme growth (enough to make anyone angry and bitter). Combine that with him being a insufferable know it all (pretty funny watching him "hold court" with the new FO's in ops) and it rubs people the wrong way. Cant vouch for how he is to fly with.

 

[Dirty Sanchez]

Keep it up, Rich! Someone needs to tell the truth about this place, because the company certainly won't when the newbies show up to interview. For the pilots out there that are thinking about coming to work at Pinnacle, listen to Lear70's words very carefully. He speaks the truth about this company, and you deserve to know the truth before coming here. Pilots are terminated often (especially probationary pilots) without just cause, you will be disciplined for calling in sick or fatigued, you will be junior-manned and extended just so the company can understaff the airline at absurd levels, and the list goes on and on. Come here if you need some quick part 121 jet time, otherwise, there are much better options.

I thought we got rid of Rich. I was looking forward to reading someone else's opinion every once in a while. At least he can no longer log onto our website!!

Forgotten, but not gone.

 

[Rook]

The problem with Rich (lear 70) (pretty funny watching him "hold court" with the new FO's in ops) and it rubs people the wrong way. Cant vouch for how he is to fly with.

Never was much for ops. Besides having to fight for a computer to check in it's just a depressing place. Kinda like 9...never mind

 

[Papps]

Quality comes from experience…I disagree…then how come military pilots all over the world get their licenses and fly on deadly missions with lot less hours than required to go to the Majors.

You can stay ‘stuck’ in the so-called ‘higher number equates to more experience, hence I deserve more than this low time pilot’ debate for long as you like, but you can never quantify how much experience makes a good pilot. It’s VERY SUBJECTIVE! I just told you in my previous post to look at how Europeans hire very low time pilots in to planes as big as 747-400s. They take our [American beliefs of ‘high time’ competency] theories and blow them out of the water on daily, but we can sit here debate all day long that more hours = competency/ good experience.

Yes, indeed, a pilot with more hours flown has more experience in the cockpit, but what kind of experience s/he had? Two of the previous examples I gave about XJ pilots out of Twin Cites (FCM CFIs) were known as ‘Closed Pattern MEIs’ – they would never take the PA44 out of the pattern on their own. Both of them flew it away from the pattern when they had the other person with them. They didn’t even want to teach in it. They logged most of their time by buying the ‘block time’ and flew together in a VFR only. What kind of experience would you call that? Again, not everyone is like those two and I’m sure there are hundred of examples, but we’d stop here.

One thing you’re completely overlooking is that the Command of these regional airlines still require fair amount of experience in a particular make and model. Still, if you’re aware of 2nd WW flying, there were 19-year olds who commanded the massive bombers over Europe and did quite well.

Your analogy of medical doctors is almost laughable. Have you ever asked the surgeon operating on you how many people s/he has operated on before? Being a professional pilot, even if you’re with the best major (whatever that is) or the best corporate flight department, most likely your health insurance would only allow you to see the cheapest form of medical practice: the top-of-the-class graduates (the smartest and ones with most experienced) are working in very expensive Private clinics. In plain English, you’re most likely being operated on by the bottom-of-the-class-graduate surgeons.


Bunny

God...... you better be a hot chick if your going to spout some crap like that. You took every low time pilot argument and smelted it together into one, painful to read post.

 

[Lear70]

I flew with Rich once...and I never complained. He had soft hands, and a smooth touch

um.....never mind, which board is this again?

ROFLMAO!!

The BDSM forums are on a different part of the board, buddy...

Bunny, I'm sorry, you just type too much. Don't have the time to read through all of it. The only tidbits I got were that you ASSUMED I said the major airlines training is different than regional training. Read again, buddy, I never said that; don't put words in my mouth.

What I DID say was that major airlines have a minimum flight time requirement, and they have it FOR A REASON (p.s. it's NOT for the training, it's for the experience to make good decisions on the line). There's plenty of data out there to support it. I'm sorry you feel it's hurting you unjustly, but most of us disagree with you.

By the way, have you ever heard of Teneriffe? How experienced was that 747 F/O that didn't speak up to tell the Captain he was being an a*s hole? Yeah, that's what I thought.

Everything else you said after that I pretty much just scrolled through. When you care to paraphrase in short sentences, let me know.

Jeeez, and I thought I typed a lot.

Dal757, yes, the commuter clause at PCL is that you must have at least two attempts to get to your trip before the report time, they can't be wingtip flights (meaning flights leaving within 5-10 minutes of each other on the other side of the airport), and you have to call after the first one to let Scheduling know you're having trouble so they can monitor what's going on and formulate a backup plan (which several of the more experienced schedulers CAN accomplish). They're not umlimited though, do it more than 2 or 3 times in a year and you'll be visiting the Chief Pilot's office for a carpet dance.

Sanchez, you'll never be rid of me, I'm like a bad habit. Incidentally, who says I'm gone from the airlinkpilots message board? Ever think that some of my friends still there let me use their user name and password to lurk?

Reddie, you're absolutely right, I was pretty angry and hostile that last year or two of reserve, had to adjust my attitude there when a friend of mine told me I looked like I was about to go postal when I was at work. Hopefully my last year there I was a lot less irritating... Tried to divorce myself from work as much as possible, the only way to survive at PCL without going crazy. As far as holding court...? "It's good to be king." Seriously though, I just thought I was being sociable... sorry you took it badly, why didn't you ever say anything?

You don't even knoooowwwww meeeeee. Thanks for the vote of confidence Rook and PCL, had fun flying with you guys, too, even if Rook's landings were better than mine.

 

[blackbox]

Sanchez, you'll never be rid of me, I'm like a bad habit. Incidentally, who says I'm gone from the airlinkpilots message board? Ever think that some of my friends still there let me use their user name and password to lurk?

Reddie, you're absolutely right, I was pretty angry and hostile that last year or two of reserve, had to adjust my attitude there when a friend of mine told me I looked like I was about to go postal when I was at work. Hopefully my last year there I was a lot less irritating... Tried to divorce myself from work as much as possible, the only way to survive at PCL without going crazy. As far as holding court...? "It's good to be king." Seriously though, I just thought I was being sociable... sorry you took it badly, why didn't you ever say anything?

If you tried to "divorce" yourself from work while at PCL the last couple years here, why would you want to come back and go out of your way to use a former co-worker's user name and password to lurk on our company's message board?

come on, admit it. You loved it here. ha!