Pinnacle vs. CHQ

[KeroseneSnorter]

Personally I believe that PIC time as a CPT is nowhere near the value as dual-given.

In 10 years you will have a very different view on this subject. The only person that would make a statement like that has never served as PIC on anything of any size, let alone Captain for a 121.

Duel Given has value to you for the first 500 hours or so, past that it does not do much for you. Until you sit in the hot seat as PIC in a real world working airplane (Not a trainer) you really have not gained much experience. Back in the day, I came out of flight instructing in a college 141 program with 967 hours of duel given and into a single pilot 135 freight operation. It took all of 1 day to realize that I didn't know squat. 3.5 years later I was a newly minted 121 Captain with 1200 hours in type with my airline....I felt much like I did that first day back at the 135 outfit. By the time the Majors rolled around I finally felt like I was getting the hang of the flying thing. However, I have yet to make Captain at a major yet, so I probably still do not know squat!

F/O and PIC are two very different animals. It has nothing to do with flying skills, and everything to do with decision making. It is the difference between looking to the left and asking "What are we gonna do now Capt.?" And being the guy in the left seat being asked the question and having to come up with the correct answer everytime. If you have your choice of being flown around by a superior stick and rudder pilot with limited decision making skills or experience, or an average stick and rudder guy with superior decision making and judgement skills......I will take the latter any day of the week.

The one thing that I know from being in the aviation business is that the further you go you realize just how little you knew 5 years ago, and the 5 before that, and so on.

 

[405]

Does it ever stop?

You guys are constantly and continously verbally beating the living h*ll out of each other. Does this bullsh*t ever stop with any of you? What is the deal with a "pilot" at a regional airline? What is there to prove? Do you really have to bash each other all the time?

You know what? Keep going with this. It's fun to read all of it. Keep bashing each other. I enjoy it now. It justifies my signature.

 

[another cfii]

Great post!!

 

[Flybet3]

Seems like Training tool finally got the hint and went home to his mommy for some more T!TTY

 

[The_Russian]

In 10 years you will have a very different view on this subject. The only person that would make a statement like that has never served as PIC on anything of any size, let alone Captain for a 121.

I made the statement out of place. Sorry man. My view will most likely change on that by this time next year after being CPT for a year.

 

[pilotkppsg]

Rumor has truth

Just heard from a buddy that works at Pinnacle that a few of the guys from GAA who where in the current training class just got the boot...... Apparently they didn't have enough PIC time. Any truth to that rumor????

I rent a few crashpads to make a lil' extra money on the side and 2 of my future tenants called me the day before their class started and said they had their job offers recended. Now, was it 'cause they didn't have enough PIC time?, I don't know; didn't seem like my place to ask. However, FAR 61.159 lets SIC time under the supervision of the PIC count towards that necessary 250 to hold an ATP, right? So why would they let those guys go is beyond me.

Now, my question is that I know that mainline NWA just parked about 24 DC-9s a few weeks ago and i'll bet money that those units won't see air time again soon, so the question is will Pinnacle be getting CRJ-700/900 to take up the mainline flying. Or, will you guys grow past the current fleet of 129 CRJ200s and 440s?

 

[KeroseneSnorter]

I made the statement out of place. Sorry man. My view will most likely change on that by this time next year after being CPT for a year.

I have told myself many times that I wish I knew then what I know now........I still say that to myself alot....the only difference is the "then" and "now" time frame!!

I am of the firm belief that the day that a pilot thinks that he knows it all, is shortly before they are scraping him up in a ziploc to send to the coroner.

In my youth, I was told by an old ex-military/airline pilot, that the guys that will kill you the quickest, are the ones that tell you how good they are........I have only been flying for a living about 14 years now.....but in my limited experience I can safely say that no truer words have ever been said.

On the other hand, I was once the cocky young kid too!!! My biggest regret is not taking the old pilots advise completly to heart from day one. I can think of times that I acted like a complete tool back in my younger days.......I did at least have the sense to not do it while around my peers in the crew room or on the airplane (Mostly )

Now I reserve being a complete tool only for the boards here at Flightinfo land!!!

 

[405]

Pinnacle with 70 seaters or growing past the 129 CRJ's promised?

Nope. Neither one will happen. I'd bet my meager paycheck on it.

Our growth is done.

 

[pilotkppsg]

Either grow past the 129 or get 70+ seaters, whichever, just need to know how much longer I can expect tenants from ya'll, or if I need to hit up FedEx folks for a new crewroom post

 

[elguapo9]

Just heard from a buddy that works at Pinnacle that a few of the guys from GAA who where in the current training class just got the boot...... Apparently they didn't have enough PIC time. Any truth to that rumor????

So the company didn't know how much PIC time they had before they started class?? Somehow they still got hired after leaving it off their resume? Sounds like an excuse to me.

 

[training]

Ummmm......you are

Im just simply stating that even though I have only 503 hours, I have better flying and decision making skills than most of the captains that I have flown with. I would upgrade at 1500 hrs if the company would allow me.

 

[training]

Wow, I simply can't believe this thread.


Maybe I'm lucky that I work with combat pilots (both US and foreign) all day...you know, well-adjusted guys who know their place in life. The dudes I fly with have dropped heat and iron with hate and malice on the enemy, and THEY don't talk like "Mr. Big-Shot Training Douche." Take a clue from the guys that have been there and save the big talk for a day you have gray hair and some actual "there I was" stories. At 500 hours, NO ONE CARES what you think.


Training: You are a mega-tool. Period, dot. Read with me, since you're so "well trained" :

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That's right -- take a bow. YOU are the gheyest douche I've ever talked to on a message board. EVER. I hope your parents are proud despite the obvious mistakes they made raising you.

Dude, All I was trying to say is that I accomplished in 1 year what you accomplished in 4 or more years and when you get out, you can come be my FO

 

[training]

Seems like Training tool finally got the hint and went home to his mommy for some more T!TTY

Didn't you get fired a couple of months back?

 

[KeroseneSnorter]

Im just simply stating that even tough I have only 503 hours, I have better flying and decision making skills than most of the captains that I have flown with. I would upgrade at 1500 hrs if the company would allow me.

Ahhh......nothing like being ignorant and stupid cocky at the same time!!!!

Yes, Yes, quickly working your way up to the level of King Tool.

I am sure you are WELL known around your airline.......and not for good reasons.


( just for your future reference in the crew room, they are laughing at you....not with you. Have fun with your career.)




I really hope for your sake you are flame baiting.....if not you are a truly sad individual.

 

[I.P. Freley]

Im just simply stating that even tough I have only 503 hours, I have better flying and decision making skills than most of the captains that I have flown with. I would upgrade at 1500 hrs if the company would allow me.

Man, you rock. I hope you can be my captain someday and teach me how to be as excellent as you are! I have so much to learn.

 

[training]

Pinnacle with 70 seaters or growing past the 129 CRJ's promised?

Nope. Neither one will happen. I'd bet my meager paycheck on it.

Our growth is done.

This is not true. I was told that Pinnacle was going to get EMB-170's and operate them under a separate certificate for another airline.

 

[Flybet3]

Doosh bag is back!

Didn't you get fired a couple of months back?

Ummm nope, more like I QUIT.

 

[Flybet3]

tool tool tool

This is not true. I was told that Pinnacle was going to get EMB-170's and operate them under a separate certificate for another airline.

HAHAHAHAHA!! dude, why are you such a jerk0F! why are you trying you make up some bull$hit that is sooooo untrue, seems like you're just trying to get more to just start contradicting you.
what a TOOL

 

[Kream926]

someone please put this flame out, pi$$ on it

 

[Flyer1015]

Pinnacle with 70 seaters or growing past the 129 CRJ's promised?

Nope. Neither one will happen. I'd bet my meager paycheck on it.

Our growth is done.

Not true. NWA excercised 10 options on CRJs for Pinnacle. As of right now, Pinnacle stands to have a total of 139 CRJs.

 

[training]

HAHAHAHAHA!! dude, why are you such a jerk0F! why are you trying you make up some bull$hit that is sooooo untrue, seems like you're just trying to get more to just start contradicting you.
what a TOOL

Ask Management.

 

[Flybet3]

I Did

Ask Management.

I DID! seems like someone is just f**king with your head, or they see you and think "poor kid, we'll let him dream" domeass!

 

[I.P. Freley]

"Domeass"??

 

[Flybet3]

"Domeass"??

HAHAHAHAHA! exactemundo

 

[Fury220]

Dude, All I was trying to say is that I accomplished in 1 year what you accomplished in 4 or more years and when you get out, you can come be my FO

YGBSM!

4 Years? Try less than 18 months from the day I walked in the door to my IP upgrade in the T-38. You'll never impress me with your FO time

Say the words "FOUR SHIP FLIGHT LEAD" a couple times. Let them roll off your tongue a little bit, and think about the decision-making responsibility that it takes for a 24 year old LT to run not one, but FOUR jet aircraft at 5 bills and close quarters. Oh, and there are students in the front 'pits who have a little over 100 hours in the jet.


Dude, it's just sad how little SA you have to post like you have in this thread. Instead of taking your upgrade to Capt, you can upgrade now to COMPLETE F*CKTARD for free. All it takes is your current attitude.


I showed the bros I work with your posts and the laughs rolled in. Congrats on solidifying the regional pilot stereotype for a bunch of trained killers here at my place of business.


Retard.


Come be YOUR FO? No thanks. I'd rather serve my 3 years here as an IP, leave KSPS with 1500+ hours, then join the rest of my bros flying gray jets where the workload is above and beyond ANYTHING you can fathom. Enjoy yanking your Capt's lever (so to speak) for the next few years.


Seriously, guys...the great thing about my job is that, when I have a stud with an attitude like Training's, I get to fail his ass and bust his nuts in a debrief. It's the one warm fuzzy I fall asleep with at night...


I'm done with this flamebait retard. I have real work to get back to.

 

[training]

Come be YOUR FO? No thanks. I'd rather serve my 3 years here as an IP, leave KSPS with 1500+ hours, then join the rest of my bros flying gray jets where the workload is above and beyond ANYTHING you can fathom. Enjoy yanking your Capt's lever (so to speak) for the next few years.


Seriously, guys...the great thing about my job is that, when I have a stud with an attitude like Training's, I get to fail his ass and bust his nuts in a debrief. It's the one warm fuzzy I fall asleep with at night...

Dude, your going to get out eventually. When you do, your new seniority number will be have 2 more digits than mine and you will start taking orders from your new "COMMANDING OFFICER",...me. At that point, we will see who is jerking who's lever. So for now, have a good time "busting studs nuts" or whatever makes you feel warm and fuzzy at night.

 

[Mike man]

Aircraft Experience: T-37, T-38A, Bugsmashers
Flight Experience: Military
Ratings: New USAF Wings, that's about it...
Current Position: T-38 PIT
Total Time: <Yours

I thought "T-" was for Training aircraft...hang out here Training When you are finished with your TRAINING you can come back.

 

[Flyer1015]

Originally Posted by training
Im just simply stating that even tough I have only 503 hours, I have better flying and decision making skills than most of the captains that I have flown with. I would upgrade at 1500 hrs if the company would allow me.

Are you f'in serious ?!?! At Pinnacle, I guarantee you're blacklisted *somewhere.* They might not know you by name, but they'll remember your face; you'll be known by all the Captains as "that guy who thinks he's better than us with his 503 hours."

Believe me, I've seen all that stuff. If the airline says i'm ready, then thats good enough for me.

You're an accident waiting to happen.

Believe me, I know. I flew the Beech around forever.

Awwwwwww, how cute! If you've flown a Beech through Florida for 250 hours, then you've definetly seen the worst of the worse! Like someone else who said it, the Beech 1900... the only 19 seat turboprop with 20 paying people.

As I said before, Flyingdude, Jealousy will get you nowhere. You had to work very hard to get where you are today and that is commendable. My parents have money so I took the shortcut. And thats O.K. too. But dont think for a second that your experience is any substitute for my training.

There's training, and then there is experience. Totally different. Any decent 737 instructor pilot could teach a 15 year old to land the aircraft using the sim. He can do this over and over again to a point where that kid will nail it each time, even in bad simulated weather. Does that automatically mean that he's now experienced to handle situations ??? Hell naw! You need to understand that now. There's training for something, and then there's experience.

Yes, I can read that you are an embittered professional that is so full of contempt for his own people that he can not just be happy for a young man that bought his way into the right seat in less than a year

You seriously can't see any 'wrong-ness' here ???

Believe me, i've had plenty of night and crap weather experience, sir. Just because you have more time "JERKING THE GEAR" than I do, don't think that your experience means that you are a better pilot than me.

Ahhhh, Florida flying. By far the toughest in the world. Alaskan flying is nothing compared to Florida.

All your experience is no substitute for my training.

.........

 

[Fury220]

Aircraft Experience: T-37, T-38A, Bugsmashers
Flight Experience: Military
Ratings: New USAF Wings, that's about it...
Current Position: T-38 PIT
Total Time: <Yours

I thought "T-" was for Training aircraft...hang out here Training When you are finished with your TRAINING you can come back.

I'm done with my training, douche. I'm an IP. Suck my nuts and get a clue before you talk about crap you know nothing about.

 

[Mike man]

You would think officers in the military would have better manners...and be more articulate.