Pinnacle management arrogance

[centralpilot]

While I am at it; the 250kts out of 1000' is not a pinnacle thing, and the MEM ATC has issues with that too... Evidently comair and ASA do it that way in MEM, and it's not the "norm", so are you unprofessional?

What is the "norm"? I don't have access to my charts to double-check, but I don't recall a speed limit on the Memphis 7 departure. What speed does Pinnacle accelerate to out of Memphis?

 

[WMUSIGPI]

Facts are facts sir....but never forget Mesaba is being forced into the family without choice. Make no mistake, those that can, will leave asap. For the time being, we all are hoping for the best in what will likely be a bad situation in the near future. Hope I'm wrong.

Not all will leave. Look at the scamruptcy, the same was said then. There were many that could have left but were too lazy (or had issues) to bother to try. The same ones will sit here again (mostly the top 150 or so on the list.) Most of the rest of us will look to jump at the first feasable oportunity.

 

[kellwolf]

A history of pay-to-fly wanna-be pilots with no back bone. For many years, those that went to 9E went knowing full well; no pay during 2 months of training, hotel for training paid by applicant, not an employee of the company until the applicant passes checkride/pc at end of training. What does all this mean? You guessed it, a large majority of 9E pilots could care less about being used and abused just to fly a jet.....they new it from day one when they walked through the door and were treated like crap from the get-go.
So when one delves further, the answer to you question is quite clear.
For all you haters....just remember, this is a true and accurate statement with no room for debate. Facts are facts. Let's be honest and call it like it is.

Wow. The hotel gets paid for now, but you do realize you're slamming 60 of your own, right? The true and accurate statement is we all choose where we go for employment for different reasons, not because we're go getters that will do management's bidding no questions asked. Just being honest.

 

[erjip]

Did the training classes start for Mesaba pilots? Did everyone show up?

 

[SEVEN]

Wow. The hotel gets paid for now, but you do realize you're slamming 60 of your own, right? The true and accurate statement is we all choose where we go for employment for different reasons, not because we're go getters that will do management's bidding no questions asked. Just being honest.

I'm being honest too. Wasn't slamming my own, just the pay to fly crowd from Gulfstream Academy that Pinnacle hired by the droves for many years. I was simply answering a question that was asked.

 

[kellwolf]

I'm being honest too. Wasn't slamming my own, just the pay to fly crowd from Gulfstream Academy that Pinnacle hired by the droves for many years. I was simply answering a question that was asked.

Okay, but you painted with a very broad brush in your statement. Words like "large majority of 9E pilots" doesn't exactly make it seem like you meant just a select group. So, with your statement, not only did you slam your own, but myself (who didn't attend Gulfstream), Champion guys that had their airline yanked out from under them, Comair guys that fled a sinking ship and quite a few others. Believe it or not, Gulfstream guys do not make up a "majority of the 9E pilots."

 

[comrcap]

Comair saves 15 mil a year by getting out of JFK. Now DAL can pass the bill to someone other than a wholly owned.

 

[redflyer65]

How about the arrogance of transfering aircraft from Pinnacle to Mesaba because PCL can't staff it...

Not a peep out of the Pinnacle MEC either.

Kinda reminds me of Congress. We can do whatever we want. Don't like it? Tough.

Amazing.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

What is the "norm"? I don't have access to my charts to double-check, but I don't recall a speed limit on the Memphis 7 departure. What speed does Pinnacle accelerate to out of Memphis?

I'd like to know what the 250 out of 1000 thing is as well. Anybody????

 

[RJLoser]

How about the arrogance of transfering aircraft from Pinnacle to Mesaba because PCL can't staff it...

Not a peep out of the Pinnacle MEC either.

Kinda reminds me of Congress. We can do whatever we want. Don't like it? Tough.

Amazing.

+1. Paging PCL MEC....anyone there?

 

[higney85]

+1. Paging PCL MEC....anyone there?

What would you like to hear?

 

[WMUSIGPI]

What would you like to hear?

What, if anything worthwhile was said on today's company conference call?

 

[kellwolf]

What, if anything worthwhile was said on today's company conference call?

Good question. I was sitting ready reserve in MEM, and I tried getting into it from 10 minutes prior to start until 10 minutes after the start. Kept getting an error. My guess? "Okay, we'll open it up to questions......oh, no questions? Guess we're done."

 

[higney85]

What, if anything worthwhile was said on today's company conference call?

Couldn't tell ya, I've been flying all day.

 

[redflyer65]

The latest is that the company will continue to do what they want whenever they want to. They have 'pants' the union for years.

I'm sure the company will come up with some 'new' DW rendition of what a merger looks like, with or without asset transfer, and the union will again be back on their heals. And the company will just say 'sue us'.

Remember the Colgan acquistion? Union was intially awarded a scope victory and the company had it re-evaluated to say the should have had a meeting prior to the purchase.

 

[RJLoser]

What would you like to hear?

PCL gave an A/C to XJ? Our union is ok with this? This (if true) is wrong on so many levels.

 

[SEVEN]

PCL gave an A/C to XJ? Our union is ok with this? This (if true) is wrong on so many levels.

This is the least of all our worries right now.

 

[Butters]

PCL gave an A/C to XJ? Our union is ok with this? This (if true) is wrong on so many levels.

Mesaba will operate 1 Pinnacle CRJ 200 for 60 days because Pinnacle does not have enough pilots.

As I understand (and I could be wrong), your contract allows aircraft to be moved to another certificate for up to 60 days. Is that true?

In an case, the real problem here is Pinnacle's inability to staff the airline properly. That's the issue that needs to be addressed.

I also think this is only the beginning of the aircraft shell game we are all in for.

 

[higney85]

Butters got it.

 

[RJLoser]

This is the least of all our worries right now.

Sorry...This will be the first in many worries you will be a part of.

 

[redflyer65]

I agree.

Sit back and watch how PCL management will get away with the cheapest version of operating three carriers, all while pushing the Pinnacle pilot agreement back even longer...

They will use the Clinton method of what the definition of 'is' is. Watch the DW spin.

 

[SEVEN]

Sorry...This will be the first in many worries you will be a part of.

Not from what I've been hearing lately. The XJ guys/gals will not be thrown under the bus. Sorry to burst your bubble.

 

[RJLoser]

Not from what I've been hearing lately. The XJ guys/gals will not be thrown under the bus. Sorry to burst your bubble.

Not what I was saying seven. I have no doubt XJ pilots will fair pretty well if they are jet guys coming to 9E. Just that you are coming to a bad place. The worries come with being on property not the integration.

 

[scooter mack]

Yea, when we got the memo is said "Comair is the go-to-carrier for Delta. :laugh:

Good luck in JFK and wait, wait, wait for it..... an eventual co-base with LGA.

Hope you guys have contract wording preventing it and the MEC doesn't give in. I know that Comair threatened and then begged for a co-domicile but the MEC wouldn't cough it up unless they provided transportation back in forth so that you released where you began. Company wouldn't do it, and the union wouldn't give in.

Really? Are you sure about that? Not entirely true.

 

[kellwolf]

Not from what I've been hearing lately. The XJ guys/gals will not be thrown under the bus. Sorry to burst your bubble.

Anything about anyone getting better treatment or being thrown under the bus is pure posturing and speculation at this point. If a 9E guy says we're gonna come out on top, he's full of it. If an XJ guy says they're not gonna get thrown under the bus, same applies. Fact is no one knows ANYTHING, and anyone that claims they do is just starving for attention.

 

[i fly boxes]

message to mesaba pilots - there are a couple senior captains going around - one of them a DTW guy who just thinks he is right about everything saying that pinnacle is going to start transfering planes from mesaba to pinnacle in december and that they are going to furlough mesaba pilots and hire them on the bottom of the pinnacle list. If you hear these people spreading this around - just know it is completely false. Things will be done as fairly as possible according to our contracts. Nothing will be done at all until our contract is finished. Don't let these low lifes spread these rumors.

 

[Flyer1015]

Mesaba will operate 1 Pinnacle CRJ 200 for 60 days because Pinnacle does not have enough pilots.

As I understand (and I could be wrong), your contract allows aircraft to be moved to another certificate for up to 60 days. Is that true?

In an case, the real problem here is Pinnacle's inability to staff the airline properly. That's the issue that needs to be addressed.

I also think this is only the beginning of the aircraft shell game we are all in for.

Amazing. And our CP had the audacity to tell us that if we hired during the summer, we may have to furlough them in the fall when the block hours fell. Instead, we ended up furloughing a CRJ to Mesaba. Hahahahahaaaa! She's back on 9E property now, but I think this is just the beginning of the shell game.

 

[Speedtape]

ASA is the Delta go to airline. Our D.O. said so in a recurrent ground school about a month ago. And then, he gave us a "Thank you for what you do everyday" line.

 

[belchfire]

ASA is the Delta go to airline. Our D.O. said so in a recurrent ground school about a month ago. And then, he gave us a "Thank you for what you do everyday" line.

All DO's have a line of fertilizer like that. I was in Enemy HQ one day at a former job and this weasel in a shirt and tie comes up, starts shaking my hand and thanking me for all the hard work...Fortunately being new I held my peace instead of blurting out to the secretary "Who the F@Uk was that dip******************** ?!?!?!?"

I was a new hire and was waiting for some paperwork in the office. Had no fracking idea who the idiot was (yep, the DO) until a day or two later when he came by the classroom to blow smoke up our anal orifices!