pinnacle interview

[rjfo]

Has anyone been interviewed at pinnacle recently? if so I am looking for the gouge. thanks

 

[A Passenger]

Not trying to sound stupid, but what is pinnacle?

 

[snoopy_1]

pinicle is northwest airlink out of memphis, they're part of the problem first officers aren't paid for their pilot service, they are also pay for training because they expect new pilots to pay for their hotel for the 6 weeks or so of training in memphis.
They are as bad as the terrorists, an fo should make more than a furloughed pilot.

 

[JJJ]

snoop,

get a clue. According to your logic, everyone who has ever taken a job with a regional is "part of the problem"

While there is still PFT in effect, it is only for new hires with less than 1500/300 I believe. Most of the new hires are furloughed NWA pilots, or very experienced. To my knowledge no one has PFT'd for quite a while here.

Would you ever go to NWA snoop? I believe they have to put themselves up through indoc.

I"m not even going to touch the "terrorist remark"

 

[snoopy_1]

Do some research J, there are respectable regionals that put their pilots up in hotels during pilot training and they are paid during training, they DO NOT make their trainees pay for their hotel like pinnicle does, that means you're paying over 2 grand for a hotel if you can find one for 50 bucks a night in memphis, this seems like pay for training to me. Does pinnicle pay their pilots during training?

There are also regionals that start a first officer at above 21 grand a year, not the less than unemployment 15 hundred a month that pinnicle pays.
I think you need to get a clue J.

 

[JJJ]

that means you're paying over 2 grand for a hotel if you can find one for 50 bucks a night in memphis

...if you want you can pay 2 grand for a hotel, or you can stay in one of the apartments that have been set up for newhires for a fraction of the cost.

this seems like pay for training to me

It sounds like un-paid training to me. PFT is "Here is a check for $15,000, when do I show up for ground school"

As far as pay, I am fully aware that there are "good regionals" like Comair and Horizon that that pay more than Pinnacle. I am also aware that they got these pay rates within the last 2 - 3 years. Before that there FO pay was just as bad as Pinnacles. When our contract was signed, FO pay was on par with the rest of the industry. Our turn is coming again soon.

I know that Pinnacle isn't the absolute best regional airline in the world, but I came from one of the "good regionals" and would do it again in a heart beat. More money and jet PIC vs. less money and SIC. For me, it was an easy decision.

You sound bitter towards Pinnacle. Why the anger?

As far as me getting a clue.... I see it on the 1st and the 16th every month and in the logbook. Take it easy.

 

[T-Gates]

Do some research J, there are respectable regionals that put their pilots up in hotels during pilot training and they are paid during training, they DO NOT make their trainees pay for their hotel like pinnicle does, that means you're paying over 2 grand for a hotel if you can find one for 50 bucks a night in memphis, this seems like pay for training to me. Does pinnicle pay their pilots during training?

There are also regionals that start a first officer at above 21 grand a year, not the less than unemployment 15 hundred a month that pinnicle pays.
I think you need to get a clue J.

Did you wash out or something? Because you sound more bitter than some of the guys working here.

As for spending 2,000 on a hotel.... I spent 285 per month for a room in a house in MEM...thats a little less than 2,000 bucks....

Are you trying to prove to the world that we get sub-standard pay? Becuase everyone already knows.... Our contract is up in 2005. The general consensus here is a SIGNIFICANTLY better contract is all were going for.

Why don't you leave it up to those MAKING the low wages to bitch...alrighty?

--03M

 

[snoopy_1]

No I did not wash out, I don't understand why all of you first officers don't have the guts to get together and tell the airline to scru the current contract and shut the airline down and don't let the scabs cross the line and demand a reasonable salary, I don't mean just pinacal, every regional airling that thinks paying a first officer $1500. a month is right.
If every first officer would stand up like a man and do this the 1500. a month salary would be history.

 

[T-Gates]

No I did not wash out, I don't understand why all of you first officers don't have the guts to get together and tell the airline to scru the current contract and shut the airline down and don't let the scabs cross the line and demand a reasonable salary, I don't mean just pinacal, every regional airling that thinks paying a first officer $1500. a month is right.

Well being under a CONTRACT that would be illegal....

We'll do our share when negotiations start in the next year or so......

--03M

 

[snoopy_1]

Sometimes it takes breaking the law to do what's right, I would like to work for a regional but I can't afford to.

 

[T-Gates]

Sometimes it takes breaking the law to do what's right.

 

[JJJ]

the airline down and don't let the scabs cross the line and demand a reasonable salary

This is what contract negotiations are for. If you don't like what is being offered, then you can get released for a cooling off period, vote no, and go on strike until you get what you want.

 

[DTWFO]

Get a clue

Since you are so angry with us maybe you should learn how to spell the airlines name first.....then maybe someone will hire you. It's:

P I N N A C L E

Try sounding it out now

 

[snoopy_1]

I spelled it wrong on purpose, most people call it pinochle.
I don't have a desire to work for a company that doesn't respect it's first officers, it does sound like they may care a little more about the captains but from the pay scale I don't see any respect being shown for the FOs.

 

[T-Gates]

I spelled it wrong on purpose, most people call it peaknuckle.
I don't have a desire to work for a company that doesn't respect it's first officers, it does sound like they may care a little more about the captains but from the pay scale I don't see any respect being shown for the FOs.

Who do you work for? That way we can evaluate your working conditions against ours...do you work somewhere THAT much better?

Because you must be in one helluva position to be telling us how we should violate contract and stage a walkout....

Do Tell.....

--03M

 

[snoopy_1]

Currently furloughed and getting $19,000. a year from unemployment. If pinnical would raise the fo pay to 2 grand a month and at least pay for the hotel during training I would call them a fair employer and consider applying.

 

[JJJ]

I don't have a desire to work for a company that doesn't respect it's first officers

You might think that some regionals respect their pilots, but they don't. Mgmt thinks pilots have an easy job, paid too much, and complain too much. The regionals that have the better pay scales for FO's do so because they didn't have a choice. There is no corelation between the size of you paycheck and the level of respect you recieve.

 

[dondk]

Not even 10 years ago, commuters (the name before regionals) were having dudes sign contracts and actually PAY for their training... COEX and Comair are names that come to mind.

At Pinncale our training is basically "free", we need to pay for only our living expenses. That is something YOU can control. A big difference between cutting a check for "x" amount.

Since we are not actually employee's.. Snoopy_1 on his $19,000 unemployment can actually go to class, STILL collect unemployment AND get trained, all on his states dime with NO expense to him.

This industry has been this way for years to suggest the Pinnalce is a factor is just ludicrous.

 

[e=mc2]

Children, let get real. The reason the FO pay is so low is because the ole boys in memphis that sold out for jets took all the money for themselves. Look at the other commuters is there a 100% difference in the pay scales - no.

Although the dog man is unable to express himself well, he is on the topic regarding the this commuter airline.

Note to self - Avoid the bowling shoe airline!

 

[JJJ]

The reason the FO pay is so low is because the ole boys in memphis that sold out for jets took all the money for themselves.

What were the pay rates for CRJ FO's on May of 1999? Could someone post the rates for Comair and others who had RJ's at the time. Like I said before, at the time, FO pay rates were par for the course.

 

[Typhoon1244]

Sometimes it takes breaking the law to do what's right...

In the context of this discussion, this is the funniest thing I've read in weeks! Holy cow! Are you really that out of touch?

That's a good idea! Lets have all of Pinnacle's F/O's walk out and see how long it takes the company to hire replacements. A week? Two? (God! That's funny!)

I've got a shock for ya, pal: all regional F/O's are underpaid!

 

[e=mc2]

Commuter Airline Moto

Don't hire the best - just those who won't complain.

Or in your case rationalize.

 

[Typhoon1244]

Commuter Airline Moto: Don't hire the best - just those who won't complain. Or in your case rationalize.

Well, I guess you're right. Let's all get together and tell our respective managements that we're not going to take it anymore. Let's make them change the fundamental nature of the industry.

After that, let's put a stop to teen pregnancy. And drug addiction. After we get that mopped up we'll get everybody to drive electric cars and stop eating meat. Once that's done, we'll establish peace worldwide and teach the President how to say "nuclear."

Let's get going. Shouldn't take more than a month...maybe two.


No, seriously...look, none of us is happy with the pay situation at the "regionals." But...we're working on it. Through contract negotiations and union pressure, we're working on it and it is getting better. Slowly. (Skywest and Mesa aren't helping, but that's another story.) It's going to take time to make this a fair and equitable industry...I'll probably be retired by then. (I'm thirty-one.)