Pinnacle in the next year ?

[dondk]

I know it means nothing.. but if you do a registration search...

Pinnacle/NWAirlink has 49 more tail numbers reserved. They all fall in line with our current scheme of tail numbers.

If any of that has ANY validity at all (and I doubt it does).. that would bring us to about 140 jets total.

Who knows.. definately not us pilots and surely not our management either!!!!

 

[Mel Sharples]

The only way they can "reduce" our fleet is "if" we go on strike. To reduce for something other than a strike would have to show good cause to the SEC and to the investors. The IPO was written stating 129 aircraft, growth and all the other stuff to get someone to buy our stock. To give us less could be construed so many ways I doubt NW would want to get into that battle.

I agree that it would be difficult (possibly stupid) for NWA to break this agreement, but they have done dumber things.

Like you said, 9E is "guaranteed" 129 jets per the IPO and the Airlink agreement. But if NWA wants to fire up the whipsaw, they can sick their lawyers on that deal and do whatever they want. I'm not saying I want that to happen by any means. I just wouldn't be surprised.

I have the feeling NWA's pilot negotiations for concessions... errr... "investment opportunities" includes some scope relief language. If XJ gets CRJ's, it won't be a permanent third fleet type. The XJ CEO already said it's not practical to run 3 types longer than necessary. The CRJ can go almost everywhere the Saab can and those places that it can't will either have to make runway changes or probably lose service.

NWA seems to want to get the hell out of regional service and make their feeder airlines fly supplemental service. Since when was Minneapolis to Pensacola a regional route???

One thing is for sure: The next 12 months are going to get very interesting in the NWA family.

Good luck to Pinnacle!

 

[Fog Sucks]

Every time I read a post by XJXJXJ I want to vomit.

 

[JJJ]

If XJ gets CRJ's, it won't be a permanent third fleet type. The XJ CEO already said it's not practical to run 3 types longer than necessary. The CRJ can go almost everywhere the Saab can and those places that it can't will either have to make runway changes or probably lose service.

True, the CRJ can get into most places the Saab goes, but they may not be able to support the loads. If they can't, there is no reason XJ could not bring in BigSky Metros to run those routes.

 

[fly4ever]

Have you ever seen those Metros? A Big Sky pilot told me a couple of weeks ago that they are having trouble keeping them airworthy. Seems the FAA is grounding some of them almost daily for fuel leaks.

 

[Lequip]

Let the ass whoopin begin! 9E is full of pilots who bought their way in and they will cave and sell out the industry at the 1st sign that their crappy job is on the line. 9E sold out before and they will soon sell out again. The only difference is they wont be rewarded this time. Enjoy the growth while it lasts. 129 and thats it.

 

[smokey999]

Lequip/XJXJXJ, whoever you are.

Is ignorance as blissfull as people say??

 

[redflyer65]

Ignorance is right, Lequip, you obviously have NO idea of the history of Express/Pinnacle Airlines. Enjoy your bliss!

 

[JJJ]

Come on, you have to try harder than that. Your first post, and it's a flame. Go back to your MSFS.

 

[norskman2]

Not only that, but Lequip is a CAPTAIN at 1000 hours! I'm impressed!

 

[Lear70]

It gets better:

Pinnacle management has requested that our MEC start negotiations early.

Our MEC agreed, looks like we'll be starting nearly a year earlier than anticipated. Not sure if it's a good thing or a bad thing.

The game's afoot...

 

[JJJ]

It could mean that they know something that we don't (ie additional airplanes), or it could mean that they want us to think that they know something.

 

[DoinTime]

More likely it means they know that protracted labor talks are not good for business. Pinnacle needs more growth than NW has currently committed to balance the huge debt load that Northwest left us with.

Growth will not happen until a new pilot contract is secured and regional flying opportunities in the US airline market are drying up. If Pinnacle management drags their a$$ on this one they will find themselves in a stagnant market being crushed by their own debt load.

 

[flap operator]

Let's put this into perspective... XJ opened a full year early and look what happened. It doesn't mean the deal will get done any easier or that mgmt is that much more eager.



FO

 

[Lear70]

More likely it means they know that protracted labor talks are not good for business. Pinnacle needs more growth than NW has currently committed to balance the huge debt load that Northwest left us with.

Growth will not happen until a new pilot contract is secured and regional flying opportunities in the US airline market are drying up. If Pinnacle management drags their a$$ on this one they will find themselves in a stagnant market being crushed by their own debt load.

Hadn't thought about that one... interesting perspective.

 

[fly4ever]

So how are the Pinnacle pilots reacting to the inter-company memo regarding no growth beyond the 129 airplanes?

Unfortunately, the hardball tactics are starting even before your negotiations.

 

[DoinTime]

So how are the Pinnacle pilots reacting to the inter-company memo regarding no growth beyond the 129 airplanes?

Unfortunately, the hardball tactics are starting even before your negotiations.

Haven't heard of such a memo.

 

[pitot-grande]

According to NWA, PCL will not receive anymore a/c until a "long term contract" is in place. Phil Trenary and Doug Shockey just offered to open early contract negotiations & the PCL MEC accepted.

Mgmt. strives for PCL stock to rise as they will profit directly. A long term contract which results in additional a/c may provide the impetus.

Early negotiations are great and all, but the deal can't be sealed until big NWA ties up their loose end. How can we ammend our contract if we don't know where we fit in?

I feel that mgmt. would rather sign sooner rather than later because a.) the industry sucks right now so they have more leverage than they would in the future, and b.) a long term contract would (quite) possibly result in the options going to 9E over XJ.

NWA 9 pilots may find themselves in direct contention with 9E pilots for 70 seaters. The sea is churning and we're all seasick from it.

Just like the previous posts this is speculation so don't piss into the wind with an empty reply.

-shlong

 

[Wanderer]

Let the ass whoopin begin! 9E is full of pilots who bought their way in and they will cave and sell out the industry at the 1st sign that their crappy job is on the line. 9E sold out before and they will soon sell out again. The only difference is they wont be rewarded this time. Enjoy the growth while it lasts. 129 and thats it.

I am sure all the laid off NWAers at 9E love seeing this dog crap of post.

arse

 

[DoinTime]

According to NWA, PCL will not receive anymore a/c until a "long term contract" is in place.

While I don't doubt this I have never seen it expressed by NWA themselves. It is more of a rumor that has been told for so long that everyone takes it as the truth. Don't forget that nobody thought we would get more than the 94 that were previously awarded.

NW has no financial reason (minus the 11% of the stock they still hold) to care how much the pilots are paid. Our air service agreement reimburses Pinnacle with crew compensation based on industry averages. If we make more than average, Pinnacle profits less than the guaranteed margin. If we make less, Pinnacle profits more.