Pinnacle CRJ Pilot Position very low mins

[Skyranger777]

I saw this today on aviationcareer.com. Why is Pinnacles min so low? I thought they used to be 1200/200.


Title:






CRJ Pilot Position

Company: Pinnacle Air LLCProduct/Service: Location: DTWRequired Travel: NoneJob Type: Full-timeEmployment Type: Permanent
Description:
Requirements: Job Title: Requirements: Minimum 500TT w/ME; prefer 750 to 1000 TT w/ME; Aviation 480 - CRJ Preferred; first class medical; ATP written preferred and taken by class date.
Company Benefits:
Contact Information: N/A[email protected] Pinnacle Air LLC US
Preferred Response Method:Contact: Gary Beek, Captain Title: Assistant Chief Pilot Phone: Fax: na Email: [email protected]

 

[schoolio]

Pulled this off their website...notice it says "preferred"...

Minimum Hiring Requirements:
• 1000 hours total flight time (Preferred)
• 200 hours multi-engine time (Preferred)
• 100 hours instrument (max 20 hours simulator - Preferred)
• Commercial pilot certificate with a multi-engine airplane and instrument rating
• ATP or ATP-Written
• Current First class medical with First Class Privileges
• Valid passport
• FCC license
• Legally authorized to work in the United States
• Minimum age 21
• High school diploma

 

[Flyerjosh]

I saw this today on aviationcareer.com. Why is Pinnacles min so low? I thought they used to be 1200/200.

That particular posting is a copy off of the University of North Dakota's student services website (employment opportunities for grads). Note the comment about Aviation 480 - CRJ, which is a systems + CRJ FTD/Procedures course that UND offers.

Pinnacle still requires higher minimums for off the street applicants. The thought process that they have (and that many airlines have), is that graduates of a major university flight program with a degree in an aviation related field are more capable of making the transition.

Pinnacle isn't the only company that has reduced minimums or preferential hiring for grads of major university programs. ACA had a program back in the day that hired interns with 600/100. I've heard about low time pilots being hired at AWAC, Piedmont and GLA as well. Mesaba, ASA, and Horizon also have preferential hiring with UND...

 

[Flyerjosh]

American Eagle also posted 500/100 for UND grads on the UND website.

 

[Hootie9750]

i wish I had spent 100 grand to go to UND so I could make 19 grand a year at american eagle six months sooner than those other chumps stuck flight instructing. hindsight is always 20/20

 

[Inconceivable]

There is an ad in this month's Flight Training for Ari-Ben Aviatior saying that they have a preferred agreement for 600 hour pilots to go to Pinch-a-nickle....

Yikes.


Moderator reviewed.

 

[Flyin4Free]

Pulled this off their website...notice it says "preferred"...

Minimum Hiring Requirements:
• 1000 hours total flight time (Preferred)
• 200 hours multi-engine time (Preferred)
• 100 hours instrument (max 20 hours simulator - Preferred)
• Commercial pilot certificate with a multi-engine airplane and instrument rating
• ATP or ATP-Written
• Current First class medical with First Class Privileges
• Valid passport
• FCC license
• Legally authorized to work in the United States
• Minimum age 21
• High school diploma

Legally authorized to work in the United States....that's some funny sh**!! HAHAHA

 

[Turtlesfly]

Legally authorized to work in the United States....that's some funny sh**!! HAHAHA

Right, because if you were an illegal immigrant, you wouldn't want to take a pay cut to work at a regional anyways.

 

[labbats]

Well, at least I can rest easy knowing that my cancelled check is being flown by someone with at least 1200 hours.

 

[flyf15]

I've been trying to get in at Pinnacle. Have about 600 total time and a very good internal recommendation, but am otherwise "off the street". Chief pilot said no-go, wanted at least 900TT for someone like me.

 

[U-I pilot]

I interviewed "off the street" with 670 in the last few months FWIW....

 

[Dodge]

They have to have these low minimums. Any pilot with some experience will stay away from 9E with their poor pay, work rules,......

Another thing to think about is look at the XJ situation. The XJ contract is average at best and is in the process of being gutted. NWA will play hard ball with the 9E pilots and employ the same or similar tactics.

Redtail regional flying is career suicide for anyone hired after 1998.

 

[DrProc]

They have to have these low minimums. Any pilot with some experience will stay away from 9E with their poor pay, work rules,......

Another thing to think about is look at the XJ situation. The XJ contract is average at best and is in the process of being gutted. NWA will play hard ball with the 9E pilots and employ the same or similar tactics.

Redtail regional flying is career suicide for anyone hired after 1998.

Agreed. And also, My recommendation for any of you low time guys or the ones without any jet time that want to fly for Pinnacle, buy the book Aerodynamics for Naval Aviators and read up on swept wing jet aerodynamics. They don't teach you what you need to know, and they have captains there that don't know it either. Already one crash because of lack of knowledge.

 

[Cokie907]

Dodge is RIGHT ON! The word has gotten out over the years about what junior people go thru at Pinnacle (thanks to these forums) and it has had an adverse impact on the availability of new bodies. You can see the desperation of Management as they dangle new carrots to entice would be applicants! LOL! It really is a total riot!

That having been said, the experience is excellent for a low timer and if someone doesn't mind BURNING A COUPLE YEARS OF THEIR LIFE for little or no compensation, then give it a whirl. You must live in base, however, or you will have absolutely no freaken life, whatsoever. The experience you gain here will suit you well in a corporate job such as on a Global or a 604, if you can find one.

One more thing, anyone that does come over must be ready ahead of time to vote in favor of shutting the place down. Nobody knows if or when a strike vote is coming but we need everybody on board when the time does arrive. Even if they're still on probation and do not yet have voting rights. The only way ANYTHING will change at this place is if the management has the PERCEPTION that the pilot group will SHUT IT DOWN HARRRRRD! Perception is reality in almost every case, and the threat of a looming strike is no different!

 

[JumpCaptain]

....You must live in base, however, or you will have absolutely no freaken life, whatsoever.

Lines aren't too good for commuting?

 

[Carl_Spackler]

It all depends how senior you are. 18 day off lines are always good for commuters. It'll take a few years to hold that as an FO and most of your career as a CA to get the same.

Overall the lines for mid seniority guys are half way commutable. This tends to be the time of the year that the lines are less than desirable too. Other times the lines are good for commuting. The only that is consistent in the lines is change.

 

[AMANSWORLD]

Pulled this off their website...notice it says "preferred"...

Minimum Hiring Requirements:
• 1000 hours total flight time (Preferred)
• 200 hours multi-engine time (Preferred)
• 100 hours instrument (max 20 hours simulator - Preferred)
• Commercial pilot certificate with a multi-engine airplane and instrument rating
• ATP or ATP-Written
• Current First class medical with First Class Privileges
• Valid passport
• FCC license
• Legally authorized to work in the United States
• Minimum age 21
• High school diploma

Apparently people actually want a job in this BS buisness, if they only knew...

 

[Lear70]

It all depends how senior you are. 18 day off lines are always good for commuters. It'll take a few years to hold that as an FO and most of your career as a CA to get the same.

Overall the lines for mid seniority guys are half way commutable. This tends to be the time of the year that the lines are less than desirable too. Other times the lines are good for commuting. The only that is consistent in the lines is change.

Not exactly. If you live in the Eastern Time Zone and commute to DTW or MEM, commuting is pretty decent.

MEM is the only commutable base left if you leave in the Central Time Zone on anything that flies more than 45 minutes to get into base.

For example: I live in BNA, used to be DTW-based, bid to MEM because of the time zone change and I can't get into DTW before 0930. 75% of the lines start with 0830 report times and end after 2000 (last flight home is 1930).

Commuting here is NOT easy.

Speaking of which, I'm coming up on 5 years seniority and I'm seeing my first 14 day off line EVER. Usually I hold 12 days off, sometimes as low as 10 if I have to have my weekends for kid's events. I'm seniority #328 out of 1,200, you do the math.

 

[pilotyip]

a sure sign of the growing pilot shortage, the bar has been lowered so far no one wants to do it anymore. So we redefine hiring minimums. It is still a great place to get MEL TJ on your resume so you can apply for a better job.

 

[Captain Happy]

Does it look like they will be hiring street capts anytime soon? I know they have done it before and from the sounds of it alot of folks are jumping ship.

Any help/onfo on that subject and only that subject ie street capts is appreciated in advance.

 

[pilotyip]

I was told about 6 months ago if you had the hours for Capt, you could get typed in ground school and be flyin capt in about 3 months

 

[another cfii]

Care to elaborate your sources? We haven't had a street capt for a while. Last upgrade was in the seniority range of 400-600...