Pilots Win: What's Next for Mesaba?

[SEVEN]

Just curious for those who are smarter than me: Now that the Judge has ruled in the Pilots favor, what is the next course of action for the company? Do they now have to come to an agreement with the unions, or do they begin parking more airplanes and furloughing more pilots to "show" the unions that they still are not going down without a fight?

Any insight on how this will probably layout inlight of todays new events is appreciated.

 

[YourPilotFriend]

Probably go down to 49 saabs and re-file the 1113(c).

 

[SkyBoy1981]

Great news for you guys. Hope it all works out. Thanks for standing strong.

 

[XJWRENCH]

Correct me if I am wrong, but I think this a victory for ALL unions on the property, not just the pilots......... We also had a share to lose in this as well as the FA's..... Justice is Alive, imagine that......

 

[AdamKooper]

I'm glad to hear that the company didn't get its way. I just hope they don't take it out on the rest of you guys.

 

[xjhawk]

yes, not only a victory for ALPA, but for AMFA and the flight attendants as well! I was hoping our unions would hold the line, even though i was sceptical about our judicial system to make a fair ruling. But when i skimmmed the 98 page document, i saw that the judge saw through most of the bull$hit put forth by the company.

for your pilot friend......yes, i would rather go down the furlough road with pride than to take 19 percent pay cuts then get furloughed. I think with our rates at what they are at now, we could be competitive with anyone if we had competant leadership....hell we are below average as we sit now...... who are you anyway.....where do you come up with all this crap.....do you just enjoy fanning the flames on the industry fire?

 

[XJWRENCH]

It is also noteworthy that the SLT is banking on 8% profit margin post ch 11. We haven't had more than 2% for quite some time. It just goes to show that the drastic cuts sought are not needed. Maybe now the SLT will just lick their wounds and really - I don't know - NEGOTIATE....... but I doubt it, I am putting money they are already to re-file next week, if not tomorrow....

 

[FlaZoomie]

I havn't been following what has been going on with XJ. Can someone bring me up tp speed please.

Thanks.

 

[CubanSmoker]

For my fellow XJ'rs, I'm stating the obvious, but this is my favorite passage so far in that 100 page ruling and it's regarding the "barganing" that our SLT did.

19.4%, 19.4%, 19.4% over and over:

Since the Debtor’s vague and somewhat plastic excuses came down to nothing
effective, the failure to surrender does have to be attributed to a less-than-replete intent to reach an
agreement ​

​

in which the unions were fully informed. At that time, then, this too gave support to a
finding that the Debtor was not meeting and bargaining in good faith.

I wish I knew what was next.

Cheers​

 

[YourPilotFriend]

Just a prediction XJhawk, nothing more, maybe I'm wrong.

 

[gnx99]

I'm with you xjhawk, I'd MUCH rather get furloughed than have my pay cut by almost 20%.

 

[YourPilotFriend]

Mesaba management just released a statement saying they will continue down to 49 saabs and refile the 1113(c) motion If they do not reach agreement with unions.

"We believe Mesaba has a strong case and it's clearly apparent from Judge Kishel's well-reasoned and thoughtful opinion that Mesaba is in dire financial straits and needs cost restructuring. The Court found reasonable and necessary Mesaba's core business assumptions including the 19.4 percent labor cost concessions over six years.Judge Kishel denied Mesaba's motion only due to its failure to provide a working financial model to the unions and its modeling of workforce attrition. These limited issues either already have been addressed or will be shortly.
Mesaba will continue to meet with its unions to address their concerns about the bankruptcy and continue to seek consensual agreements. While we're disappointed in the delay, Judge Kishel states that if the unions do not recognize the dire financial condition of the Company, Mesaba can re-file the motion and it will be heard promptly."

 

[XJohXJ]

YPF: That's just so much BS management hot air. 19% will not happen.

Also, the judge did indicate that we can strike if the company eventually tosses the contract.

 

[Monster Buck]

Mesaba management just released a statement saying they will continue down to 49 saabs and refile the 1113(c) motion If they do not reach agreement with unions.

"We believe Mesaba has a strong case and it's clearly apparent from Judge Kishel's well-reasoned and thoughtful opinion that Mesaba is in dire financial straits and needs cost restructuring. The Court found reasonable and necessary Mesaba's core business assumptions including the 19.4 percent labor cost concessions over six years.Judge Kishel denied Mesaba's motion only due to its failure to provide a working financial model to the unions and its modeling of workforce attrition. These limited issues either already have been addressed or will be shortly.
Mesaba will continue to meet with its unions to address their concerns about the bankruptcy and continue to seek consensual agreements. While we're disappointed in the delay, Judge Kishel states that if the unions do not recognize the dire financial condition of the Company, Mesaba can re-file the motion and it will be heard promptly."

Good Bring it on Brotha!!!:beer:

 

[Tomct]

Nice job guys, we are very proud of you for making the stand!! Good Luck with the next portion.

 

[mavdog]

YPF: Please post this statement. Or are you making it up?

I'll help 'em out.
http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/060518/20060518005892.html?.v=1

 

[gnx99]

From the above link. "it's clearly apparent from Judge Kishel's well-reasoned and thoughtful opinion"

What a bunch of kiss asses. :laugh:

 

[ImbracableCrunk]

So, does his decision set the precedence that a strike would be legal?