Pilots who don't tip the van driver!!!

[beech1900kid]

I just wanted to get this out there and off of my chest. I spent the last four days with a 5-year captain who never once tipped any of the hotel van drivers. His reason was that he felt it wasn't his responsibility and he made that very clear to the crew. Mind you, as the FO, I make less than half of what he does, and the Flight attendant's were making even less than that. We all found it in us to cough up a lousy buck. You are the same type of bottom feeders who tip the waitress 10% if your food is a few minutes late or the guy next to you smelled badly. You pilots who don't tip the van drivers are even more pathetic.

You are an embarrassment to your crew, you are an embarrassment to your airline, and an embarrassment to your profession. I don't care who you work for or what you fly, you make enough to give the van driver a GD dollar. Open your eyes and realize that the hotel, the airline, and especially the van driver don't owe you a **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** thing because you feel like you've had it rough today or you feel that maybe consessions were a little unfair. That's why we get per diem you cheap ba$tard$ - for incidentals like tipping the van driver. And to you losers who plan on justifying this mathematically, citing how much one could save per year, **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** you too. You can work off a year's worth of tips in a few hours.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

do a search, been covered many times.


airline pilots dont tip anybody, they are cheap bastads in poor fitting polyester suits.


even worse are the corporate pukes who stiff everyone (and embarass us) then put in $25 on thier expenses to make some extra money. Pathetic. You know who you are. Loser.

When you get good service -- TIP A FEW BUCKS YOU CHEAP PRIK!!

 

[mmmdonut]

But..... I'm broke.

 

[pipejockey]

As far as the van driver not oweing anybody anything, well they owe us the drive to the hotel right? Sad thing is, they probably earn more money than a regional FO. More than a 1st year FO for sure! Per Diem?? That barely covers meals for the month. When I am traveling on my own time and the driver helps me with my luggage, then yes I tip. But I don't tip when I am on the job and make it a point to take care of my own bag so I don't inconvenience the driver.

I mean everybody expects tips anymore. The waitress, bus driver, van driver, skycapps who by the way earn more than some regional captains!! Taxi drivers, Hotel maids, Pizza delivery guy, and the list goes on....
Why don't pilots get tips??

 

[rk772]

You've got to be kidding me. I'm on reserve, working 5 or 6 days a week. My paychecks (after taxes) average $500 every two weeks. Lets say I only work 5 days a week. that's 4 nights with 8 van rides. This averages $32 a month. I can't even afford cable TV so my kids can watch Saturday morning cartoons. Do you really think I'm giving some van driver (Who makes more than me driving a van) money that could buy my kids a season pass to a zoo or kids museum. I've got to cut cost wherever I can.

No, I'm not the first to give a 10% tip to my waiter when the food is a little late because I can't afford to take my family out to eat. Four years of college and I can't even take my wife and kids out.

 

[mooser]

After my flight a few days ago I took some people over to the EAA museum in the FBO's van in Oshkosh WI and the guy gave me Ten Bucks!!!! I thoguht I struck gold!!!!


Mooser

 

[beech1900kid]

I mean everybody expects tips anymore. The waitress, bus driver, van driver, skycapps who by the way earn more than some regional captains!! Taxi drivers, Hotel maids, Pizza delivery guy, and the list goes on....
Why don't pilots get tips??

If what you make at work is really that much of an issue, become a waitress jacka$$. Don't forget we all put in our time as first year FO's and found it in the depths of our pockets to scape together four quarters for the driver.

By the way, when you wrote "I mean everybody expects tips anymore," that was really improper use of the word "anymore." It should probably have been either "lately," "these days," "now," or even "nowadays." Each would have worked well. Why don't you take the four dollars a week that you save on tips and get a grammar lesson?

 

[beech1900kid]

you are all so full of $hit. You pi$$ away $8 on a twelve pack.

 

[350DRIVER]

calm down there skippy...That is the captain's choice not yours. Life is too short to b!tch and whine about things that are beyond your control, deal with it and move on. If he wants to tip the guy then great, if he doesn't then oh well. Keep in mind that this practice of "tipping" is nothing more than a courtesy....

relax,

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[pipejockey]

Hey 1900punka*s,

Where do you work? Because I don't want anyone I know getting anywhere near an aircraft being flown by pilots with as much latent hostility as you.

And by the way, I still won't tip!!

RK772,

You hit it right on the head man! Amen. 1900punka*s must be living off a trust fund or something. Some of us actually have financial obligations that far outweigh tipping the van driver.

 

[hobbsmeter]

I know how you guys feel. I'm a cheap bastard myself but I still manage to scrape together $1 for the van driver.

Sure, they might make more than some of you, but you don't know that for certain, maybe he needs the van driving gig for whatever the reason, I give them the benefit of the doubt.
With that said, I don't tip if I have to wait for the van an excessive amount of time. It's one thing if there's a blizzard out, but if the hotel is a 5 minute ride away and the weather is good I expect that van to be there.

I also won't tip if the driver scares the hell out of me on the ride to the hotel, I scare myself enough as is

 

[Mike man]

Herre you go...try this for a while. I don't TIP the van driver unless they do something beyond, like hook my bags together. No one ever gives pilots TIP's for smooth landings, smooth flights, arriving early, etc.



Webster's Definitions

Main Entry: gra·tu·ity
Pronunciation: gr&-'tü-&-tE, -'tyü-
Function: noun
InflectedForm(s): plural -ities
Date:1540
: something given voluntarily or beyond obligation usually for some service; especially : TIP





The word TIP is also an acronym:

T.I.P. - "To Insure Promptness" or "To Insure Prompt" service



Here is something else for you to consider beech1900kid...



Who is the impolite person, the one who uses the wrong fork at dinner, or the person that notices and says something?

But soriously, since this is the Regional Airline Interview Board...what is your comment or question about an interview?

 

[SpocksBeard]

what i really want to know is why nobody ever puts on their freaking seatbelts when they get in the hotel van - that's the most dangerous part of my day!

 

[350DRIVER]

Well put Mike....


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[beech1900kid]

Herre you go...try this for a while. I don't TIP the van driver unless they do something beyond, like hook my bags together. No one ever gives pilots TIP's for smooth landings, smooth flights, arriving early, etc.



Webster's Definitions

Main Entry: gra·tu·ity
Pronunciation: gr&-'tü-&-tE, -'tyü-
Function: noun
InflectedForm(s): plural -ities
Date:1540
: something given voluntarily or beyond obligation usually for some service; especially : TIP





The word TIP is also an acronym:

T.I.P. - "To Insure Promptness" or "To Insure Prompt" service



Here is something else for you to consider beech1900kid...



Who is the impolite person, the one who uses the wrong fork at dinner, or the person that notices and says something?

But soriously, since this is the Regional Airline Interview Board...what is your comment or question about an interview?

Actually, the impolite person is one who will tell you that you are not only cheap, but that you are a stupid a$$ that can't spell either. "Herre" is not actually a word that I am able to find in the almighty power of Mr. Webster's Book. Oh, just so you know Mike Oxlong, I couldn't find "soriously" in the book either. Fork up a buck for people that weren't born with a silver spoon in their a$$ you cheap **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED**. For all you morons that say pilots deserve tips for smooth landings, let me remind you that you do not work for tips like waiters, van drivers, etc. You work for your salary, and you get paid regardless of the fact that you may have a bunch of cheap pr!ck$ in the back who overestimate the value of their work, time and education, and place themselves on a pedestal by thinking they are Gods of the sky. Get over yourself, get over your career, and cough up a buck.

 

[350DRIVER]

Kiddo,

You are a trip, who do you fly for?

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[banned username 2]

let me remind you that you do not work for tips like waiters, van drivers, etc. You work for your salary, and you get paid regardless of the fact that you may have a bunch of cheap pr!ck$ in the back

Actually van drivers are also paid a salary and do not depend on tips as a portion of their expected income (such as waitresses/waiter do)... Waitresses and waiters are actually paid below the federal minimum wage (legally) because part of their income is expected to be tips... Van drivers do not fall into this special catagory, thusly they are paid at least minimum wage (and I'm betting a good bit over minimum wage)... Most of them are very likely making well beyond a Regional F/O wage, as well as they get to sleep in their own bed every night...

I still throw them a couple bucks, but since we were getting down to semantics here, my anal retentive personality had to jump in...

 

[beech1900kid]

FO for AWAC.

 

[350DRIVER]

thx,

I was just curious. Is Marcus, Matt Kenseth's ex-Lear f.o in ground school yet?


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[beech1900kid]

thx,

I was just curious. Is Marcus, Matt Kenseth's ex-Lear f.o in ground school yet?


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I'll tell you if you give me a buck.


Just kidding...I don't know Marcus, but I'll check into it next time I pass through DEN. If I run into him I'll tell him his Captain said "hi."

 

[350DRIVER]

How about $50cents? I am one cheap SOB from what the ladies have told me


I was just curious.. I did not fly with him, one of my Nascar friends recently mentioned it so that is why I was asking..


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[captainv]

To each his own, i guess.

Having worked my share of crappy service jobs, I tip the driver. I have trouble buying the premise that a guy driving a van for the airport Holiday Inn makes more than I do. If he does, more power to him. Consider it my donation to trickle-down economics....

Even at 1st-year pay, I could swing $2/day. Per diem works out to $39/day, and i usually don't come close to that.

For those that claim they can't afford it, you're not trying hard enough. On the last leg of a 4-day trip, my captain pulls out his calculator and tells me he spent less than $20 on food for the entire trip. (and he was including the cost of stocking his duffel bag with Ramen noodles, instant oatmeal and other goodies)

 

[JetSpeed219]

Alright, just to clear things up, hotel van drivers DO NOT make more than a regional FO, at least not at PDX. I work at a hotel and talk to many people at all the surrounding hotels at PDX and everyone makes around 7-8 bucks an hour. So they definately depend on tips more than you think............

 

[pipejockey]

Alright, just to clear things up, hotel van drivers DO NOT make more than a regional FO, at least not at PDX. I work at a hotel and talk to many people at all the surrounding hotels at PDX and everyone makes around 7-8 bucks an hour. So they definately depend on tips more than you think............

jetspeed,

I disagree, because even at $8 an hour for a 40 hour work week equals $16640 and that doesn't include all of the "tips" they get. Even at $30 dollars a day in tips that adds $7800 to the total. This doesn't even take into consideration any possible OT. In conclusion, van drivers do make more than many FO's.

 

[Weasel Keeper]

jetspeed,

I disagree, because even at $8 an hour for a 40 hour work week equals $16640 and that doesn't include all of the "tips" they get. Even at $30 dollars a day in tips that adds $7800 to the total. This doesn't even take into consideration any possible OT. In conclusion, van drivers do make more than many FO's.

WTF are you talking about???


A Hotel Van Driver making at least $8.00 an hour will clear $320.00 a week. Where the hell does $16,640 come from, because I might thing of changing my professional from an A&P job to that of a van driver.


No, fuk that!, I WAS a van driver for a year! I was making the kickass $8.00 an hour, and loving life with the awesome Kitty Hawk pilots who would tip me at least a dollar to move their bags from the van. It's hellafunny I suppose...the cargo drivers actually gave a smack, and gave a tip, but the *cough* airline pilots thought they were too good.

I gave the same service to anyone working for any airline (cargo, regional, etc) but the Kitty Hawk guys actually acknowledged the "little" guys.

My suggestion, if you're staying at a hotel, tip the van guy if he handles your bags. He will remember you and won't handle anything next time when you want him to if you don't remember him....

 

[flynryan15]

My .02 Cents

Unfortunatly it is my displeasure to be back in the Food Service Industary again. And it is my oppinion that most people truely have no idea what it is like to have your income be based on the gratituted of others. As a waiter/ waitress I can honestly tell you that you are viewed as scum by your Owner, Manager and Customer. You work in horriblly hostile eniviroments were the smallest thing can cost you your income weither it is your fault or not.. The majority of the public have no idea that in most states you work for 2.13 per hour and nor do they care. Benifits at most places don't exsist and if they do they are very expensive and worthless to boot.

I used to joke and say that everyone should have to wait tables at one point in their life to atleast teach them alittle respect for their fellow human being, but now I wouldn't wish it on anyone. Sure you can tip someone a lousy 10% because you think your food is late. But let me ask you this? Do you know how long the item you ordered should take to prepare? And how do you know it is the servers fault it is taking so long? Did you also know that no matter what you leave your server as a tip they are still required to tip out 2-3% of their sales to the Bartenders and bussers? Which means I tip out 100-200 dollars a week.

I think the real problem lies in the fact that the general public has no idea what standard gratuity is(20-23%) so for someone to leave 10% they don't see it as a problem. And I can sympathize for those who don't make alot of money and can't afford to leave a big tip. And yes you and your family should be able to go out and enjoy a meal togethe. But should you do it at the expense of someone who is working their A$$ off? Remember when you and your family get up and leave. You leave behind your spilled drinks, cracker wrappers, cherrios smashed into the carpet, shredded paper and loads of oher crap it is the server that cleans it. And that is why you are tipping so you don't have to go get your food, drinks, refills, take your dishes to the sink and clean up the mess.

Now I can't speak for Van Drivers, PIzza Boys, Hotel Maids etc cause I have no idea what their base pay is, but I can speak in great detail about the Food Service industary(unfortunatly)

Moral of the story is try to put yourself in the other persons shoes before you stiff them!!

P.S. I will say sorry to the Spelling police that patrol this board I wrote this at 0630 after working a 15 hour shift.

 

[MetroSheriff]

Herre you go...try this for a while. I don't TIP the van driver unless they do something beyond, like hook my bags together. No one ever gives pilots TIP's for smooth landings, smooth flights, arriving early, etc.

Webster's Definitions

Main Entry: gra·tu·ity
Pronunciation: gr&-'tü-&-tE, -'tyü-
Function: noun
InflectedForm(s): plural -ities
Date:1540
: something given voluntarily or beyond obligation usually for some service; especially : TIP




Here is something else for you to consider beech1900kid...



Who is the impolite person, the one who uses the wrong fork at dinner, or the person that notices and says something?

But soriously, since this is the Regional Airline Interview Board...what is your comment or question about an interview?

MetroSheriff's Definitions

Main Entry: cheap.fu@k
Pronunciation: cheep.fuk
Function: noun
InflectedForm(s): plural -ities
Date:1540
1: someone too friggin' penurious to give the van driver a buck; especially Mike Oxlong;

2: a trait commonly found in prima donnas who feel that they are too important to hook their own bags together.



I may not notice the whole salad fork deal. I did, however, notice your atrocious spelling. It occurred to me that you may be saving up for a dictionary. Hence, the reluctance to tip.

 

[FL000]

By the way, when you wrote "I mean everybody expects tips anymore," that was really improper use of the word "anymore." It should probably have been either "lately," "these days," "now," or even "nowadays." Each would have worked well. Why don't you take the four dollars a week that you save on tips and get a grammar lesson?

You might want to sign up for a class yourself, smart guy. There's nothing wrong with that usage:

Main Entry: any·more
Pronunciation: "e-nE-'mOr, -'mor
Function: adverb
1 : any longer <I was not moving anymore with my feet -- Anaïs Nin>
2 : at the present time : [size=-1]NOW[/size] <hardly a day passes without rain anymore>
usage Although both anymore and any more are found in written use, in the 20th century anymore is the more common styling. Anymore is regularly used in negative <no one can be natural anymore -- May Sarton>, interrogative <do you read much anymore?>, and conditional <if you do that anymore, I'll leave> contexts and in certain positive constructions <the Washingtonian is too sophisticated to believe anymore in solutions -- Russell Baker>. In many regions of the U.S. the use of anymore in sense 2 is quite common in positive constructions, especially in speech <everybody's cool anymore -- Bill White> <every time we leave the house anymore, I play a game called "Stump the Housebreaker" -- Erma Bombeck>. The positive use appears to have been of Midland origin, but it is now reported to be widespread in all speech areas of the U.S. except New England.

 

[Ganja60Heavy]

I found another definition....

MetroSheriff's Definitions

Main Entry: lazy.ass
Pronunciation: lay'-Z ahss
Function: noun, adjective, adverb
Context usage:
1) That guy's a lazy.ass.
2) The lazy.ass driver didn't even get out of the van.
3) He sat lazy.ass with the engine off in 90-degree heat.
InfectedForm(s): yes....highly contageous.
Date:1987

1: Someone who EXPECTS a tip, such as a hotel van driver, without consideration for service.
2: A driver who doesn't say "thank you" for receiving a tip.
3: A van driver who drives around with his friend in the right seat and stops at McDonalds on the way to the airport, making the crew wait a little bit.
4: A stupid driver who plays loud head-banger music at 4:45 am on the way to a pre-dawn crew dropoff.
5: Van operator who talks on their cell phone whilst driving and almost has a head-on collision at a busy intersection.

Editor's note: I DON'T TIP lazy.ass drivers. I have personally experienced EACH OF THESE DEFINITIONS at least once. LET'S HEAR MORE DEFINITIONS!!

 

[rstev1955]

WTF are you talking about???

A Hotel Van Driver making at least $8.00 an hour will clear $320.00 a week. Where the hell does $16,640 come from, because I might thing of changing my professional from an A&P job to that of a van driver.

Hmmmm......maybe because $320 a week times 52 weeks in a year equals....ummm.....$16,640 ??

Must be that new math.