pilot wanted

[Ralph]

From findapilot.com

$25,000.00 a year and no health benefits. I bet there is no overtime pay either. So after you fly 6 days a week you can come in on sunday and update charts, clean the aircraft and hanger, and all for $25,000.00 a year. Why that probably works out to at least $5.00 an hour.

So be honest, who would take this job?

I would not touch it!

Position: Aerostar Pilot
Company: LVA Management, Inc.
Name: Frank Bell
Address: Briscoe Blvd
City/State/Zip: Lawrenceville, GA
Email: [email protected]
Date: 10 Apr 2003

Excellent opportunity to grow with our flight department. We operate a Falcon 20, a Bell L206 and an Aerostar. We are currently seeking a pilot for our Aerostar 602P. We are based at LZU (Lawrenceville, a suburb of Atlanta). The aircraft is on the road 3 to 4 days per week. Additional duties include keeping aircraft clean, keeping charts up to date and coordinating maintenance for the aircraft. There will be opportunities to SIC in the Falcon 20 as well.Minimum requirements: 2,000 TT, 1,200 PIC, 400 ME, 50 High Performance ME. Must have a high altitude endorsement. Salary $25,000 to start, no benefits.

 

[72Longhorn]

job post

I saw the same add and thought the same thing!

But there's always a sucker out there that is willing to give up everything for almost nothing in return just for a few hours of flight time.

72

 

[Airpiraterob]

look at it this way.
theres always a sucker with nothing willing to get more of nothing, specially if it can get him/her something later on.

they obviously know the environment or else they would pay more. if i needed someone like that. and saw this market. i can guarantee you i wouldn't offer anymore than that. its the business perspective.

 

[Flic1]

I don't even think it's the current environment. As long as there are pilots willing to fly for free (always have been plenty of them), you will definitley have plenty that will fly an Aerostar for $25k and be the owners bi*ch...

I'm sure he'll get plenty of resumes.

 

[mckpickle]

This just in:

"1/2 of MESA pilots resign to pursue job at LVA Management, Inc.
We are told they are extreemly excited about the raise and improvment in work rules"

 

[jbDC9]

I dunno, I fail to see how this is such a crappy deal... I'm sure I'll be labeled a scab for such thinking, but wtf.

When I hired on at U.S. Check (now Airnet) I think the base pay was around $18K with very good benefits; later on I picked up a 5th night run and in 1992 I made $28K. From there I moved up in the world(!) and hired on at Mesa, BE-1900 FO making maybe $12K with no benefits. None. You had to pay for your own bennies then, so I looked at what my take home pay would be and passed on the benefits. I made it thru over 3 years there with no benefits whatsoever. Even as a capt on the Beech I was only up to maybe $26-28K...

I'm sure there are other fly-by-night freight dog outfits out there that pay way less to works lots harder and you still get no bennies... but going to one of those places would be okay since yeahhhh, I'm getting single pilot ME freight dog time! Right?

Yes, the additional duties would suck balls... but like the last poster said, it could turn into bigger and better things not too far down the road. And look at it this way, at least he's not asking you to pay $25,000 just to fly that Aerostar... it could be worse.

I'm done, flame away.

 

[LR25]

So if I was a starving pizza delivery driver becuase I was let go at some regional with no benifits, this would be a bad job to take?(I guess I wouldnt be starving if I was delivering pizza's, huh, anyway)

I dont think so. Remember, there is someone out there that is trying to scrounge up any thread of an existence in this horable time we find ourselves in this industry. All the employer is asking for is a little flight time. Hell yea I would take it, and right seat time to boot in a jet.

I dont see any PFT or any hurting of other pilots here. Just a job for someone who wants to fly.

 

[metrodriver]

$25000.-? That's 5000 more than the 135 job I had flying a turboprop, no benefits either, and no chanche to move up into something bigger / faster or equipped with more than 1 engine.
If I lived in Atlanta I would have seriously considerd this job. A lot better than a 700/month unemployment check. And you work only 3 or 4 days per week!!!! The additional tasks are pretty much the norm at every other pilot job (except washing the aircraft, although I know some companies want you to do that, sometimes for pay)

 

[Ralph]

I wouldn't attack the pilot that takes the job; I just would not take it. We all have a line that’s not worth crossing to fly and it’s in different places for different folks. If the job was offered at no pay there would still be a few pilots applying because they want to fly that bad. If the job said you must $25.00 an hour for flight time, some guy would still take it. What we like to do is get mad at all the people with a line below ours. That’s why the major airline pilots get annoyed with the regional pilots, and the regional pilots get mad at Mesa pilots, and I bet the mesa guys complain about the GulfStream pilots, and well I’m not sure who the GulfStream pilots complain about, but I’m sure someone has found a line beneath theirs.

I don’t do that (get mad), I just think you are an idiot and if there is one thing I have learned about workers it’s that you get what you pay for. Pay 25K a year with no benefits and no overtime pay and you are far more likely to get a bozo than if you paid 40K a year with overtime pay and benefits. Now here is a point that will send you guys flaming away. Do you REALLY think you get the sharpest tool in the shed for 18K or 25K a year? When one engine goes out on a B1900 on takeoff and the pilot has just a few seconds to trouble shoot and make a decision; do you want the 18K dollar a year pilot or the pilot who passed on that job because it paid way too little and took a job as an engineer? Yes I know there are no absolutes, and don’t bother with pointing out that morons make lots of money, my point is simply that in EVERY other industry I have worked and hired in, the pool of applicants for a job that pays more always includes applicants that are more qualified, coherent and intelligent. The interesting thing about aviation is that 99.99% of the time it doesn’t matter if you have a moron in the cockpit. Its just that one little .01% of the time when a decision needs to be made and troubleshooting needs to be done efficiently and thoughtfully that it matters so while not all regional pilots are morons (that’s not my point at all) it wouldn’t matter if they were, the airlines would get away with it and thats why the pay can be so low.

 

[dsee8driver]

I remmember...

I remmember 2 years ago taking a job at ASA when I got furloughed at ATI. Sure it had benefits but it paid 17 something an hour, you had to get a crash pad in Atlanta or move. The RJ reserve we were told was a year. You might have cleared 18,000 per year with perdiem if you got lucky. Nevertheless I had a family and 2 kids, a mortgage and could not afford to stay there. Where is the difference? That would be a great job for a young guy starting in the business trying to get out of CFIing. With the right attitude they would be in the right place at the right time when the Falcon Capt croacks.

 

[jbDC9]

Pay 25K a year with no benefits and no overtime pay and you are far more likely to get a bozo than if you paid 40K a year with overtime pay and benefits. Now here is a point that will send you guys flaming away. Do you REALLY think you get the sharpest tool in the shed for 18K or 25K a year? When one engine goes out on a B1900 on takeoff and the pilot has just a few seconds to trouble shoot and make a decision; do you want the 18K dollar a year pilot or the pilot who passed on that job because it paid way too little and took a job as an engineer? Yes I know there are no absolutes, and don’t bother with pointing out that morons make lots of money, my point is simply that in EVERY other industry I have worked and hired in, the pool of applicants for a job that pays more always includes applicants that are more qualified, coherent and intelligent. The interesting thing about aviation is that 99.99% of the time it doesn’t matter if you have a moron in the cockpit. Its just that one little .01% of the time when a decision needs to be made and troubleshooting needs to be done efficiently and thoughtfully that it matters so while not all regional pilots are morons (that’s not my point at all) it wouldn’t matter if they were, the airlines would get away with it and thats why the pay can be so low.

Yep, I gotta flame you on this one. Since when does a paycheck determine how a guy will handle things when the $hit hits the fan? Aviation isn't like any other industry you've worked in, throw your comparisons out the window, they don't fit here. I know some CFI's at the local aerodrome; great guys, excellent pilots... and they make crap pay. If they lucked into this job, I'd say they'd do a fine job when that engine takes a puke. Personally I think you'd get some pretty sharp tools in the shed for $25K... As I recall, I was making around $20K when a 310 shed some prop blades after takeoff and I made it back to the ground in one piece. Did my bank account get my ass back on the ground? Nope, it was lotsa luck and some careful stick and rudder flying.

You ever hear of paying your dues in this industry? What pilot would pass on this job to go to work as an engineer?? A wannabe hobbyist type? Not a real pilot, not one that really wants to fly and work his way up. There's nothing wrong with some hard work and paying your dues, doing time until you get the chance to move on.

 

[KigAir]

$25,000.00 a year and no health benefits. I bet there is no overtime pay either. So after you fly 6 days a week you can come in on sunday and update charts, clean the aircraft and hanger, and all for $25,000.00 a year. Why that probably works out to at least $5.00 an hour.

So be honest, who would take this job?

I would not touch it!

Ralph,

How much $ would this job have to pay for you to touch it?

 

[AAflyer]

Wow,

You guys are too f%cking much!!!!!

I have been berated for making slightly over 100K flying a wide-body with over 220 passengers, and now making 25K flying 5 or 6 is too little? What gives..

Maybe all you MBA pilots that sling words like ASMs,RPMs, and how a business model works could explain to me how you propose we all get paid from Aerostars to 777s. Can't wait to see what you propose.

AAflyer,

8000+ furloughs on the street, almost all regional FOs start out at less than 25K and you guys have the time to fuss about an aerostar jobmaking 25k. There are thousands of pilots whoring themselves as we speak, don't knock this job or who applys for it. If there is one thing I have learned about our group in general is we talk a big talk, but it is all about "ME" and how I can get ahead!!!

 

[dsee8driver]

Underdog said..
(and for the guy who said wait for the c.p. to croak...he's young and gonna be around a while).


I was the one that said it but I did not mean it in a bad way. Unfortunately at our company the FE's seniority list only moves when they croak or get fired.

 

[Ty Webb]

Actually, this sounds a lot like my first jet job, which I took at 1800tt because it paid 50% more than a regional, and I had a wife, a son and a mortgage.

After a year of it, I was able to get two job offers, both of which came with a type rating and a $15,000. raise . . . . and two and a half year later, I was hired at AirTran, so I guess it worked out for me.

Good luck to all.

 

[metrodriver]

I did a little math. If the guy doesn't take vacation, he works about 200 days /year. 25000/ 200= $125.- per day. I think that's very reasonable for this type of equipment.
Let's face it. It pays more than any first year regional or major airline job. Who knows what happens with the guy next year? right seat jet, $35000-40000? He has still everybody beat. OK, he has to find his own medical insurance, it won't cost him much more than through a company

 

[embdrvr]

Ralph,
Yeah dude you're right. Why would you want to give up all that quality dual given time in a C-172 for ME PIC in a great flying twin and right seat in a Falcon jet? Just keep holding down the couch at the FBO will ya? Lemme guess, mommy and daddy paid for your flight training, didn't they? Yep I thought so.
Honestly this job doesn't look too bad for a low time entry level position. If you end up with a type in the Falcon down the road it could lead to a pretty good job. On top of that when you're "on the road" you get a chance to network with some folks that might turn you on to a better job.
As for the lack of medical insurance, everything is negotiable. You might be able to get them to agree to pay the insurance after being employed for a certain period of time.