Pilot Shortage

[netjetwife]

BF, I'm sorry that things are going badly for you. Real estate experts have noted that lenders should shoulder much of the blame for recently making loans that in the past would never have been approved. Apparently, their greed gave rise to schemes that trapped naive first-time buyers who placed their trust in the wrong people. Outside situations that are beyond a pilot's control are made worse if the pilot doesn't have a professional salary to fall back on. Unfortunately, too many pilots and their families are in that category. Good Luck! NJW

 

[Ultra Grump]

Gonna have to disagree with you on that one, NJW. (Shocker, I know ) To blame the lenders is looking in the wrong direction. The biggest problem in the country today is lack of personal responsibility, and it's evidenced by the mortgage meltdown and subsequent attempted bailout by the federal govt. Yes, the lenders were greedy. But the home buyers who wanted their McMansion and wanted it now are the ones to blame for the "I can have it now and (maybe) pay for it later" mindset that led to our current situation. It's their own fault. And before anyone tells me I'm insensitive and obviously haven't experienced it, I'll tell you that this very thing happened to my mother, against all the advice I gave her. She made choices, and she's now dealing with the result of those choices - i.e., foreclosure.

 

[Publishers]

I just now noticed Netjetwife changed the camels to a booted leg.
A few years ago, a graphic designer/computer programer that was any good commanded more money than a GV Captain even if they had dropped out of high school and were 18 years old. Then of course a bunch of kids saw that and signed up for programming and computer design. Eventually unless you had some real skills, everything leveled off and if you were only a graphic person you might not work much or at much money. So who today gets the most, the G550 captain or the kid who programed all those computer screens. The point is that you are in charge of which one or which way you went. I know pilots that would be broke if they earned $500k a year and others who live as they want for $75k a year. We can blame the lenders, we can blame the management, but in the end, it is you who decides who you are.

 

[netjetwife]

.... I'll tell you that this very thing happened to my mother, against all the advice I gave her. She made choices, and she's now dealing with the result of those choices - i.e., foreclosure.

My sympathies to your mother for the difficult position she finds herself in and to you for the frustration of the situation. And actually Grumpy we think more alike than my previous post led you to think. I'm a firm believer in personal responsibility. Unfortunately, the mess is so big that there's plenty of blame to go around and the whole range of circumstances can be found from greedy lenders deliberately taking advantage of naive, uneducated buyers to impatient, irresponsible consumers. Looking at the debacle, one wishes that the lenders had stuck to their conservative, strict criteria for approving loans. Requirements are in place for a good reason. In the past exercising their veto power and upholding high standards prevented the ugly, wide-spread foreclosures that ultimately hurt many more home-owners than those involved in the riskier deals.

Lowering the requirement bar can have drastic consequences in aviation as well. It's a valid concern for all with ties to the frac industry that companies like Options will take less experienced pilots as the pool of applicants willing to work for less than the going rate dries up. NJW

PS Your mask is slipping, UG. I'm seeing glimpses of a sensitive man behind your board persona...

 

[netjetwife]

For those who missed my earlier post on the subject, I'm running a boot campaign: Stand tall (for your rights); dig in your heels (against unfairness); and give those who won't cooperate the boot. My message is aimed at all the fracs with the understanding that different groups face different challenges in directing their future.

Internally, things are going well for the NJ pilots, but there is an outside entity holding them back and I hope the NJ pilots give 'em the boot.

 

[B19 Flyer]

Lowering the requirement bar can have drastic consequences in aviation as well. It's a valid concern for all with ties to the frac industry that companies like Options will take less experienced pilots as the pool of applicants willing to work for less than the going rate dries up. NJW

Here she goes again, another assumption by the expert on a subject that she knows nothing about.

While there is the perception that a low hour pilot is unsafe, you need to back up your statement with facts and statistics.

The fact is, in the US, low hour pilots have not contributed to accidents in certificated air carriers.

Please, if you have the facts NJW, share them with me.

And remember, before you go spitting out quasi facts that I don't know exist, give real stats from the NTSB, and other sanctioning bodies on certificated air carriers. And make no mistake about it, Fracs are certificated air carriers via Part 119.

Once again, you are busy insulting the low hour pilots that are trying to make a career out of their "investment."

Tsk, tsk. It never stops, does it?

 

[B19 Flyer]

For those who missed my earlier post on the subject, I'm running a boot campaign: Stand tall (for your rights); dig in your heels (against unfairness); and give those who won't cooperate the boot. My message is aimed at all the fracs with the understanding that different groups face different challenges in directing their future.

Internally, things are going well for the NJ pilots, but there is an outside entity holding them back and I hope the NJ pilots give 'em the boot.

If I didn't know better, it sounds like you finally agree with me that the outside entity (the union) has to get thrown out! :laugh:

 

[netjetwife]

Outside, irrelevant Fudspinners try to conveniently ignore the reality that the pilots ARE the Union, (making ridiculous comments in the process... ) but those of you following along closely know exactly what I'm talking about. I predict that my credibility and insight will again be affirmed in the near future; in sharp contrast the word-twisting, Fudspinner rudely interrupting the frac community's online visits has yet to answer basic questions about his present occupation and employer. Typical.

Those who stand in the way of progress deserve to get the boot.

 

[dime line]

If I didn't know better, it sounds like you finally agree with me that the outside entity (the union) has to get thrown out! :laugh:

Moron

 

[CaveoFalco]

Here she goes again, another assumption by the expert on a subject that she knows nothing about.

While there is the perception that a low hour pilot is unsafe, you need to back up your statement with facts and statistics.

The fact is, in the US, low hour pilots have not contributed to accidents in certificated air carriers.

Please, if you have the facts NJW, share them with me.

And remember, before you go spitting out quasi facts that I don't know exist, give real stats from the NTSB, and other sanctioning bodies on certificated air carriers. And make no mistake about it, Fracs are certificated air carriers via Part 119.

Once again, you are busy insulting the low hour pilots that are trying to make a career out of their "investment."

Tsk, tsk. It never stops, does it?

I know it is hard by why do you insist on spinning what NJW says? She did not report that low time pilots were the cause of accidents. She stated that it could happen. Insurance companies recognize that fact by setting time requirements in their contracts like 2500 hours at NJA. Even the FAA requires it when they established minimums hour requirements for a commercial license. You lose - again.

What does FAR 119 have to do with anything in this thread? It doesn't. It is you trying to sound educated when you aren't (other than BS degree in reading and quoting Wikipedia).