Pilot Shortage or Here We Go Again

[Typhoon1244]

I'd address the letter to "Captain Smith", and if he calls you, then take his lead.

That's it exactly...doing otherwise is like showing up for an interview in soccer shorts and a T-shirt.

Of course, it depends on where you're interviewing...

 

[Gulfstream 200]

People who like to be addressed as "Captain" are complete, 100% TOOLS.

 

[banned username 2]

People who like to be addressed as "Captain" are complete, 100% TOOLS.

THAT is correct!

 

[Ty Webb]

People who like to be addressed as "Captain" are complete, 100% TOOLS.

Not necessarily. In the airline environment, when you have thousands of pilots, and thousands of names, that's how everyone will address you, unless it is on an informal basis. It is a lot more respectful than "Hey, you", and it makes it clear who is the PIC.

When I am in the cockpit, or the crew room, or places like that, I will call the Capt. by his first name, "Hey, Bob, where we going for scnocktails tonight?" but in front of customers or Ops people, I will usually refer to him as "the Captain".

For example, the gate agent asks a question that has to be determined by the PIC, I will say, "Check with the Captain", not "Check with Bill". Or to a jumpseater, "Go on up and introduce yourself to the Captain".

It's about respect, and about differentiating between who is the one that is authorized by the Company to make the decision. When I call Dispatch, to make a change, for example, I identify myself as the FO on the flight, because there are some things that will have to be "signed off on" by the Captain, even if I put the wheels in motion.

Now, when i was a corporate puke, like you, I flew sometimes as a co-captain, so it would have been toolish. But tell me this, when a fueler says, "What's your fuel load gonna be, Captain?" Do you reply, "Call me Bill" or do you answer? DOes that make you a tool, too?

 

[banned username 2]

I think he was referring to someone who insists on being addressed directly as "Captain" not as in using the title in the 3rd person... Using the title in the 3rd person, such as a fueler asking for a fuel load, and saying "Ask the Captain" is fine, but when someone introduces themselves as Captain Smith when talking to another pilot... well... lets just say... Tool... You airline pukes wear the stars and bars anyhow, when he introduces himself doesn't the 4 stripe indicate he is a Captain? Couldn't he just introduce himself as "Bob Smith"?

 

[WrightAvia]

If you just call EVERYBODY chief or dude, you'll not have to worry about making that captain faux pas...unless your charter passengers happen to be big wigs from the Chippewa tribal organization and you pull a Homer, while 135 briefing your pax.

"Uhhhh yea chief, you put the seatbelt on like this..." Followed by dead silence as the American Indian dudes are looking at each other like...did Captain Cracker, just call me CHIEF?

Dohh! Maybe that post should have wen't in the "I NEVER..." thread.

 

[Ty Webb]

We airline pukes only wear the bars . . . and the scrambled eggs.

Now, we did have a certain Captain that was known as "Captain Captain", although it was never explained to us newhires why he was known by that name. One of the guys in my class finally flew with him, and told me "Hey, I know why they call him Captain Captain".

Apparently, during his passenger announcement, he would say, "This is your Captain, Captain ________ _________ speaking".

Mystery solved.

I think that when I upgrade, I am going to change my name to Captain Speaking. Then I can say, "This is Captain Speaking Speaking . . . .".

For now, I remain,

First Oficer Listening.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

Corporate puke like me?

Dude, you flew a Westwind...and you were a "co captain"..read: embarassed to admit I was not a PIC..

that was until you "made it" and became a F/O at Valujet.

Now THATS being a TOOL, Captain Speaking.......

 

[Ty Webb]

I liked flying the Westwind- had a lot of fun doing it. My first year I was rated in type, but didn;t qualify for the insurance, so I was a co-captain. No great shame there. My next two years I was a 135 PIC on it.

that was until you "made it" and became a F/O at Valujet.

Hey, man, you can keep on saying that "Valujet" stuff all you want- I sure wouldn;t trade places with you. I know your job, you only think you know mine. . . . and, yes, you're right . . . I am an F/O. . . . for a few more months. Think I'll hold on to my senior FO schedule through the holidays . . . . Miami is nice in January, that should be a good time to go through upgrade. Right about the time you get to switch from loading golf clubs to loading skiis.

You have yourself a nice one. Don't spend too much time in the back holding hands and wiping asses, y'hear?

 

[banned username 2]

Right about the time you get to switch from loading golf clubs to loading skiis.

You have yourself a nice one. Don't spend too much time in the back holding hands and wiping asses, y'hear?

Wow, you didn't have a "Corporate" job, you were flying for an "Owner"... Yuck... no wonder you left.

By the way, glad you know his job, because you don't know mine.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

Sorry CAPTAIN,

we got baggage screening, baggage loaders, and F/A's.....and we dont do ski trips. You were an owner slave. No wonder Valujet seems like such an upgrade...

Are you bragging about spending time in Miami?? well, I guess thats better than Atlanta, huh? You are getting to be quite the globe-trotter.



Hey, think about me as you do your third turn of the day through the Southeast US....Oh, I DO know your job...

Hey, Capt, as long as you are satisfied, good for you!

P.S. Insurance minimums? uh-huh....Is that why they told you that you couldn't be PIC?????

 

[bart]

Sorry guys, the only people I will ever address as Captain are people who have a sheepskin bearing greetings from the President of the United States.

Not some tool in a polyester suit that needs a haircut and a serious attitude adjustment.

If you want to be called Captain, the Armed Forces are always looking for good people.

 

[bobbysamd]

FlightSafety

You've obviously never visited FlightSafety!

Actually, I have. I worked there for a year about twelve years ago.

The Chief Pilot and several assistant chiefs wore four stripes. But he and the others were all addressed as "Mr." It was part of that culture.

Depending on the situation, I would address whoever as "Mr.," "Ms." or "Captain" on the first reference until he/she says otherwise. That's how I was brought up. Call me old-fashioned. I agree with Ty's usage of Captain in the third person.

I do second all who say that those who demand to be addressed as "Captain" are indeed tools.

 

[Ty Webb]

Wrong again, bucko. I had a "real" corporate job. . .. I was around long enough to know the difference.

By the way, glad you know his job, because you don't know mine.

I know a lot more about corporate than you clowns know about AirTran, from the posts you guys are making.

 

[banned username 2]

Wrong again, bucko. I had a "real" corporate job. . .. I was around long enough to know the difference.

By the way, glad you know his job, because you don't know mine.

I know a lot more about corporate than you clowns know about AirTran, from the posts you guys are making.

Well Ty, I used to think you were ok... but now I know you are just another TOOL...

By the way, what "REAL" Corporate operator flies a Westwind??? I don't know of any Fortune 500's operating that sled... And if you were sluffing golf clubs and skis, they weren't working, which means it wsa some smucks barge... Again, you don't know half what you think you do...

 

[enigma]

Don't you boys have anything better to do than trade insults?

You could at least be arguing about who gets the best barbeque.

enigma

 

[Ty Webb]

Those sound like negatives to me . . . but hey, it's your operation, Chief.


You were an owner slave.

Uh, no, I wasn't. I actually worked for a number of places, and a few of them were "name" flight departments.

Are you bragging about spending time in Miami??

Oh, yeah, Chief, I know, TEB and HPN are so much better. Gotta love that Meadowlands . . . but I know that you and your entourage wouldn't fit in there, so they probably put you up on Fifth Avenue.

well, I guess thats better than Atlanta, huh?

I don't know much about Atlanta . . . see, I get to live where I want. I just start my trips in ATL, but I wouldn;t expect you to understand that, since you have so much invested in believeing that I have a crummy job and you have a great one. Sounds like you are right where you need to be . . . .

Hey, think about me as you do your third turn of the day through the Southeast US.... .

Sigh. I wish that was what I do. I like short trips- makes the day go fast.

I'll tell you what. You think of me when you are holding down the Barcolounger at the FBO.

Hey, Capt, as long as you are satisfied, good for you!

Hey, same to you.

P.S. Insurance minimums? uh-huh....Is that why they told you that you couldn't be PIC?????

Well, no. They told me it really wasn;t because I had only 2100TT, they told me it was because I was a lousy pilot, but I should keep it a secret.

You really are a horse's ass, aren't you?

Actually, one of the great things about being an airline pilot is that if you are paired w/an @sshole like you, it's really easy to just log on the computer, and change out the rest of your month. Buh-bye, Capt. A-hole.

And, the best part is the ability to leave your flight case in the bag room at work, and truly leave your work behind . . . . . . 17 days off per month, known in advance, and they can;t touch you.

A-hole protection and 17 hard days off per month? Priceless.

 

[banned username 2]

Those sound like negatives to me . . . but hey, it's your operation, Chief.


You were an owner slave.

Uh, no, I wasn't. I actually worked for a number of places, and a few of them were "name" flight departments.

Are you bragging about spending time in Miami??

Oh, yeah, Chief, I know, TEB and HPN are so much better. Gotta love that Meadowlands . . . but I know that you and your entourage wouldn't fit in there, so they probably put you up on Fifth Avenue.

well, I guess thats better than Atlanta, huh?

I don't know much about Atlanta . . . see, I get to live where I want. I just start my trips in ATL, but I wouldn;t expect you to understand that, since you have so much invested in believeing that I have a crummy job and you have a great one. Sounds like you are right where you need to be . . . .

Hey, think about me as you do your third turn of the day through the Southeast US.... .

Sigh. I wish that was what I do. I like short trips- makes the day go fast.

I'll tell you what. You think of me when you are holding down the Barcolounger at the FBO.

Hey, Capt, as long as you are satisfied, good for you!

Hey, same to you.

P.S. Insurance minimums? uh-huh....Is that why they told you that you couldn't be PIC?????

Well, no. They told me it really wasn;t because I had only 2100TT, they told me it was because I was a lousy pilot, but I should keep it a secret.

You really are a horse's ass, aren't you?

Actually, one of the great things about being an airline pilot is that if you are paired w/an @sshole like you, it's really easy to just log on the computer, and change out the rest of your month. Buh-bye, Capt. A-hole.

And, the best part is the ability to leave your flight case in the bag room at work, and truly leave your work behind . . . . . . 17 days off per month, known in advance, and they can;t touch you.

A-hole protection and 17 hard days off per month? Priceless.

David, David, David...

You shouldn't be such an outright TOOL... the internet isn't always as annonymous as one might think, or hope.

 

[mattfish42]

I've got five bucks on Ty!

 

[skyking1976]

Watching this whole insult-slinging session has made me hungry... I'm going for BBQ. Why don't you two do the same?


SK

P.S. If I had to put money on this little scrap, mine would be on Falc. Capt. He holds a little bit more "cyber-power" than Ty. I'm sorry but I wouldn't go picking very many fights with an admin who can ping your a$$ all day long and find out where and possibly who you are.