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Griswold

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> Subject: Fw: Pilot Pay
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>

> Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 8:45 AM
> Subject: Pilot Pay
>
>
> When you see a pilot going through the same security you go through,
he's not being paid.
>
> When you see a pilot walking in the terminal, he's not being paid.
>
> When you see a pilot at the gate pulling up paper work, planning the
flight, and conferring with the agent, he's not being paid.
>
> When you see a pilot walking around the aircraft doing a preflight
inspection, he's not being paid.
>
> When you board the aircraft and look in the cockpit and see the
pilots setting up the aircraft, they're not getting paid.
>
> When you land safely at your destination and walk off the aircraft
and see the pilots shutting down the aircraft, they're not being paid.
>
> When you see a pilot waiting for a ride to a hotel for the night,
he's not being paid.
>
> The only time the pilot of your aircraft is getting paid is when you
DON"T see him... when he's locked behind the cockpit door as you push
back from the gate. Every thing else he does until this point is for
free. For no wages. Nothing!
>
> The average airline pilot is at work for 12- 14 hours per day, yet
gets paid for less than 6 - 7 hours.
>
> The average airline pilot is away from home, at work, for 70+ hours a
week, yet gets paid for only 15 to 18 hours per weeks work.
>
> Most pilots schedules have them working 15 days or more a month...
that means they are not at home half the month.
>
> Holidays, weekends, birthdays, anniversaries, summer vacations....
not at home.
>
> A majority of pilots have 4 year college degrees, or more. Then they
begin training as pilots.
>
> A large majority of Pilots have spent 8 years or more flying in the
military, risking their lives and protecting your freedom for wages most
of you wouldn't accept in the civilian world.
>
> Civilian trained pilots have spent $50,000 or more to acquire the
training that qualifies them for a Regional Airline job, which pays a wage
less than the poverty level in most western countries.
>
> Most pilots do not attain the required experience level to be hired
by a major airline until they are well passed the age of 30. The average
age of a new hire airline pilot is 32.
>
> Airline pilots are subject to random drug and alcohol testing, any
time they are at work. Fail it and they lose their job.
>
> Airline pilots are required to undergo rigorous re-training and
certification every 6 to 9 months, at which time they could fail and lose
their jobs, licenses and livelihood.
>
> Airline pilots are required to submit to random government "Line
checks" during which their license could be revoked and livelihood
destroyed.
>
> Airline pilots are exposed to radiation levels far exceeding the
normal safe radiation limits mandated by the FDA.
>
> Airline pilots are required to submit to a government medical
examination every 6 months (Captains) and 12 months as First Officers. Year
after year. Fail that, and their career is over.
>
> How many of you go to work where people try to kill you? How many of
you have had your office turned into a cruise missile? How many of you
work behind a bullet proof door?
>
> How many of you are responsible for the lives of 200- 300 people,
with any small mistake in your performance resulting in the death of your
customers (and yourselves), and the financial destruction of your
company?
>
> How many of your jobs require you to fight your way through
thunderstorms, rain, snow, ice and turbulence, day and night, year after year?
No mistakes allowed? The excuse " I had a bad day at work" never
accepted?
>
> Many pilots volunteer (on their own time and own dime) to be trained
as Federal Flight Deck Officers, and carry weapons to defend their
aircraft, crew and passengers. They maintain their proficiency and
qualifications twice a year on their own time and money.
>
> How many of you go to work where you are searched, patted down and
your personal items scrutinized by strangers, even though you can kill
everyone in your place of work with your two bare hands?
>
> Airline pilot pay scales and hours worked are usually posted by
absurdly overcompensated Airline Exec's who are waging a PR campaign against
their Pilot Unions and trying to justify their own greedy bonus's and
draconian wage and pension cuts. Cheap ass airline passengers just love
this **** since they don't care if their airplane is flown by the
lowest denominator, as long as they can fly for next to nothing. Course if
they don't get to their destination, their next of kin can sue....
>
> ***********
>
>
>
>
>
 
> Subject: Fw: Pilot Pay
>
>

> Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 8:45 AM
> Subject: Pilot Pay
>
>
> When you see a pilot going through the same security you go through,
he's not being paid.
>
> When you see a pilot walking in the terminal, he's not being paid.
>
> When you see a pilot at the gate pulling up paper work, planning the
flight, and conferring with the agent, he's not being paid.
>
> When you see a pilot walking around the aircraft doing a preflight
inspection, he's not being paid.
>
> When you board the aircraft and look in the cockpit and see the
pilots setting up the aircraft, they're not getting paid.
>
> When you land safely at your destination and walk off the aircraft
and see the pilots shutting down the aircraft, they're not being paid.
>
> When you see a pilot waiting for a ride to a hotel for the night,
he's not being paid.
>
> The only time the pilot of your aircraft is getting paid is when you
DON"T see him... when he's locked behind the cockpit door as you push
back from the gate. Every thing else he does until this point is for
free. For no wages. Nothing!
>
> The average airline pilot is at work for 12- 14 hours per day, yet
gets paid for less than 6 - 7 hours.
>
> The average airline pilot is away from home, at work, for 70+ hours a
week, yet gets paid for only 15 to 18 hours per weeks work.
>
> Most pilots schedules have them working 15 days or more a month...
that means they are not at home half the month.
>
> Holidays, weekends, birthdays, anniversaries, summer vacations....
not at home.
>
> A majority of pilots have 4 year college degrees, or more. Then they
begin training as pilots.
>
> A large majority of Pilots have spent 8 years or more flying in the
military, risking their lives and protecting your freedom for wages most
of you wouldn't accept in the civilian world.
>
> Civilian trained pilots have spent $50,000 or more to acquire the
training that qualifies them for a Regional Airline job, which pays a wage
less than the poverty level in most western countries.
>
> Most pilots do not attain the required experience level to be hired
by a major airline until they are well passed the age of 30. The average
age of a new hire airline pilot is 32.
>
> Airline pilots are subject to random drug and alcohol testing, any
time they are at work. Fail it and they lose their job.
>
> Airline pilots are required to undergo rigorous re-training and
certification every 6 to 9 months, at which time they could fail and lose
their jobs, licenses and livelihood.
>
> Airline pilots are required to submit to random government "Line
checks" during which their license could be revoked and livelihood
destroyed.
>
> Airline pilots are exposed to radiation levels far exceeding the
normal safe radiation limits mandated by the FDA.
>
> Airline pilots are required to submit to a government medical
examination every 6 months (Captains) and 12 months as First Officers. Year
after year. Fail that, and their career is over.
>
> How many of you go to work where people try to kill you? How many of
you have had your office turned into a cruise missile? How many of you
work behind a bullet proof door?
>
> How many of you are responsible for the lives of 200- 300 people,
with any small mistake in your performance resulting in the death of your
customers (and yourselves), and the financial destruction of your
company?
>
> How many of your jobs require you to fight your way through
thunderstorms, rain, snow, ice and turbulence, day and night, year after year?
No mistakes allowed? The excuse " I had a bad day at work" never
accepted?
>
> Many pilots volunteer (on their own time and own dime) to be trained
as Federal Flight Deck Officers, and carry weapons to defend their
aircraft, crew and passengers. They maintain their proficiency and
qualifications twice a year on their own time and money.
>
> How many of you go to work where you are searched, patted down and
your personal items scrutinized by strangers, even though you can kill
everyone in your place of work with your two bare hands?
>
> Airline pilot pay scales and hours worked are usually posted by
absurdly overcompensated Airline Exec's who are waging a PR campaign against
their Pilot Unions and trying to justify their own greedy bonus's and
draconian wage and pension cuts. Cheap ass airline passengers just love
this **** since they don't care if their airplane is flown by the
lowest denominator, as long as they can fly for next to nothing. Course if
they don't get to their destination, their next of kin can sue....
>
> ***********
>
>
>
>
>

All true. Time for a new plan
 
I was with you until you started misspelling things. If you want to be taken seriously about most pilots (hah) having 4 year degrees and then beginning their aviation career, you might want to spellcheck.

Stop after about 10 bullet points, after that people just skim it. Then you could start "accidentally" leaving them in the pax terminal.
 
We at FI should all chip in and get a page in USA Today. I wonder if we really could though. We could all chip in a buck
 
I was with you until you started misspelling things. If you want to be taken seriously about most pilots (hah) having 4 year degrees and then beginning their aviation career, you might want to spellcheck.

Stop after about 10 bullet points, after that people just skim it. Then you could start "accidentally" leaving them in the pax terminal.

Your a prick, who list that they have flown a 172 and lets not forget a 182RG and now your an FO. Even better you still have your CFI, you must work hard to keep that ******************** current. Who cares.

Its a chat site, do you think that I care that I misspelled a word. Go teach me how to do a lazy 8 and turns around a point. Please!
 
It's you're.
 
It's you're.

Maybe we can do some ground school after we get back from some x-wind landings in that 182RG. You can teach me how to spell and do grammer.
YOU'RE one of those FO's that I would hate to fly with that is just so perfect.
 
Labbats, You work Eagle. Your some stud. Have fun pulling the gear for 5-7, who knows how long. If your smart, you'll apply somewhere so you can upgrade, but maybe you fill safe just being an FO and a CA in your 182RG.

I gave you some words to correct, since your so smart
 
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These are all valid points. A good list for people to read before they get into the profession. That way they were warned, and if they still want to get into the airlines, they can deal with it.

I'm going to be called a pr!ck too, but if you don't like the way you are treated, do something to change it or get out. I'm sure you were well aware of all the risks and downsides to being an airline pilot before you chose your occupation.
 
SIGN ME UP!!!!!

:pimp:
 
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Griswold, Great post!

Labbats, you are the type of guy people love to see bad things happen to.
 
some vaild points, but do you think the traveling public is going to have ANY sympathy for the fact that we don't get paid for going through the same security they go through - that we don't get paid when walking through the terminal, or that we don't get paid when waiting for a hotel van?????

Again, I agree with most of it, but you're not going to get sympathy from the majority of the world who also don't get paid during those periods of their day - especially the road warrior business traveler.

I'd be more concerned about the time spent deciphering wx reports or pre-flighting.

just my 2c
 
Just tell me where to send my dollar.

Oh, and it better not be Happy Dude. (Simpsons ref, sorry)

On the topic of grammar, Labbats:

Shut-upuh-ur-mouth-uh! (Italian melody in the background)

This is not a portion of the SATs.
 
I thought this was interesting....I was watching the Discovery Channel and this show was on ("Extreme Engineering") about Mega Ships it said that the crane operators at the docks can top out over 200K! These days you can barely find a trip 7 or a 74 international captain at over 200K. I just thought I'd share that 'cause I thought it was funny. Funny on our end...not thiers.
 
That's what I like about the military you are paid 24 hrs a day 7 days a week. Yep I think it comes out to 5.50 an hr. I would imagine that will go up to 7.25 an hr over the next two yrs if the Senate can pass the min wage bill.
 
The pilot profession is hardly unique. There are many people who don't "get paid" for hours that they are working. Every person who works salary exempt is getting the same thing.

I would argue that you ARE getting paid for all those things. Most airlines have a guarantee of 75 hours or so. How many pilots actually do fly 75 hours in a month?

How about those trip/duty rigs where you get an hour's pay for every 3 or 4 hours you are on duty or on a trip, regardless of whether you are flying or not?

Also, let's not forget that most pilots get paid "block or better" so when a plane gets in early, and the crew is walking down the jetway, they are still on the clock. If it gets in late, then of course they are getting paid for that.

And finally, that's why you guys get paid 150-200 bucks an hour. Do you really think you would be making that kind of money if you were being paid from duty on to duty off?

Any complaints you have about "not getting paid" should be taken up with ALPA. They are the ones who have been neogtiating pay based on flight hours since the day ALPA began.

All that being said, I happen to agree with you. I think a pilot should be on the clock from the moment he shows up for a flight, until that flight is completed. Pilots at my old company were required to report 45 minutes prior to a departure, and be on board and in their seats 20 minutes prior. They were also on duty for 15 minutes after the last arrival to do post flight duties. The way I see it, a pilot should have gone on the clock for that first 45 minutes until 15 minutes after block in at the destination. On all subsequent flights, the clock should start 20 minutes prior to push and not stop until 15 minutes after block in.
 
Hmmm....here's a thought....if you don't like it....FIND ANOTHER JOB!!!!

Stop your whining!

Absolutely!!

How about the fact a pilot gets to fly a multimillion dollar machine at speeds in excess of 550 MPH! Pretty cool to get paid doing that!

How about the pride in wearing your uniform? It's a chick magnet. You get paid to have girls give you there numbers.

If you don't like it, leave and I'll take that left seat.
 
Absolutely!!

How about the fact a pilot gets to fly a multimillion dollar machine at speeds in excess of 550 MPH! Pretty cool to get paid doing that!

How about the pride in wearing your uniform? It's a chick magnet. You get paid to have girls give you there numbers.

If you don't like it, leave and I'll take that left seat.

You are a dork, trying to keep the bad words to a min.
You seem like the type that would line up and take a job at Go-Jets.
I love my job, but alot of pilots will agree with me we are under payed period, the industry is not what it used to be.
Go put your uniform on instructordude and wack-off to it. While you are at it, fly into a cloud and log some instrument time and get all giddy.
You are the prime example why our pay will not get any better and that the industry will stay the way it is.
 
Why are you underpaid....If you don't feel that you are properly compensated at your airline, then leave....no one is keeping you there. You want to know who is underpaid.....How about the guy carrying an M-16 in Baghdad? He is WAY underpaid!!!

Frankly we are underpaid because we choose to be. I certainly wouldn't take a job at ASA or Pinnacle for $19/hr...or even GoJets at $65 for a Captain, but there are guys/gals who would. I'd rather work as a greeter at WALMART, be home every night and make about the same amount. If I did well at that, who knows.... someday I could move up to cashier or stockboy.
 
Maybe we can do some ground school after we get back from some x-wind landings in that 182RG. You can teach me how to spell and do grammer.
YOU'RE one of those FO's that I would hate to fly with that is just so perfect.

It's "grammar."
 

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