Pilot negativity

[Nolife]

I think pilots are negative about the business because they often do not understand the thinking, do not like the fact that schdules are not predictible except at the airlines, and feel some what removed from the main organization and what is going on.

Don't I work for you.

 

[AerroMatt]

Makesheepnervous, I LOVE your handle! :beer: Lets compare notes Re: Previous careers.

I spent 7 years driving Over the Road semi-trucks, and accumulated a million miles in my logbooks. This was in addition to another 5 years as a local driver. Once while I was driving I calculated how much time I was devoting to my truck in addition to the actual time spent driving (loading, unloading, waiting for dispatch, fueling, washes, buying/selling pallets, weighing, etc). When I tallied it all up, I realized I was putting in somewhere between 120 and 140 hours per week, and I was only being paid for the time I actually spent driving. Now if you do the math, you will discover there are only 168 hours in a week, so there was almost NO time for sleeping/eating/showers/laundry. Helovalot of work for $45-50K income too.

I too have noticed how negative the whiners are here, and all I can say to them is "Quit yer biatchin, this job ain't for sissies." I still love my flying and everything that goes with it, and you will never hear me complain 'cause its still far superior (and much less work) to driving that truck!

 

[TrailerTrash]

AerroMatt

Makesheepnervous, I LOVE your handle! :beer: Lets compare notes Re: Previous careers.

I spent 7 years driving Over the Road semi-trucks, and accumulated a million miles in my logbooks. This was in addition to another 5 years as a local driver. Once while I was driving I calculated how much time I was devoting to my truck in addition to the actual time spent driving (loading, unloading, waiting for dispatch, fueling, washes, buying/selling pallets, weighing, etc). When I tallied it all up, I realized I was putting in somewhere between 120 and 140 hours per week, and I was only being paid for the time I actually spent driving. Now if you do the math, you will discover there are only 168 hours in a week, so there was almost NO time for sleeping/eating/showers/laundry. Helovalot of work for $45-50K income too.

I too have noticed how negative the whiners are here, and all I can say to them is "Quit yer biatchin, this job ain't for sissies." I still love my flying and everything that goes with it, and you will never hear me complain 'cause its still far superior (and much less work) to driving that truck!

Most pilots complain about there jobs,but they would never change their career.Line guys rule!

 

[pilotyip]

yea fly because you like to, complain to keep other people out.

 

[time builder]

I think the part of the reason is the average pilot is lied to about their career outlook. These flight schools will literaly say anything to get money out of them. Even if someone starts very young they will likely not make a major until at least there thirties and by then they want to settle down and start a family.

I agree. Unfortunately, for many pilots, years of complaining and telling people how it really is on the airline side won't undo their few months of schmoozing on the CFI side.

 

[Propnose]

I work for a Charter company, and it doesn't suck

 

[arewethereyet]

I agree with all about the fact that pilots in general cry and complain with the best of them.

Once I decide to go civ. I'll be looking into 135. I know of a couple that actually have good schedules and the buds I know that work there really enjoy it. Of course there are good days and bad days BUT if you find a job out there in any field that doesn't have the same thing let us know and we'll all jump on the ship headin that way.

Flyin no doubt beats the heck out of working anyday. I see the enlisted guys workin hard and wishing they were in the cockpit and not doin the tough work that keeps us goin and alive.

Have a good one ALL.

HAP

 

[CaptainSpaz]

One can not argue that pilots whine about their jobs alot. Pay, perdiem, schedule, QOL - all issues that you can easily put up against a typical 9-5 desk job and a pilot ends up looking like a crying baby.

However, I think we can cut ourselves a little slack. We work in an adversarial environment which every day pits the safety of other people lives against the company's bottom line.

 

[VSI9k+]

Its all a mind set...try a little to be happy, and you'll be ok. Im always on the road flying old aircraft and I love it. If you dont have a passion for flying, then get out!!

VSI

 

[G-force]

Contented or not

Pilot negativity is directly proportional to mgmt competence!!!!!! A lot of us have been there,so we know!

 

[maverick121]

psycho babble??

It is one of the worst when moderators allow the psycho babble ,of the kind on this 135 board , that keep stringing out these non sensical , school-yard arguments like the ones about silverhawk avaition.

Moderators allow it because it does not bother them. It also shouldn't bother you! As I said before if you don't want to read about Lincoln or silverhawk, simply don't click on that thread and chances are it will not come up! If you are so unhappy about it then maybe you should ask if there are any openings to become a full time moderator. Then we can get you a cape and some boots and you can fly around and stop all the naughty postings!!

 

[climbhappy]

GeeWiz Mav,
How could you misconstrued that comment ? what's the matter did Kate not give you any on the honeymoon? I do exactly what you suggest. Is that better? I don't need a cape, but you need your meds.

Oh yeah, kate said you were out of milk and eggs.

 

[maverick121]

GeeWiz Mav,
How could you misconstrued that comment ? what's the matter did Kate not give you any on the honeymoon? I do exactly what you suggest. Is that better? I don't need a cape, but you need your meds.

Oh yeah, kate said you were out of milk and eggs.

Okay,

I'll admit I probably jumped the gun on you a little and I'm sorry I didn't mean to offend you. All i'm trying to say is that this entire website in one way or another is a constant arguement. In the regionals all they talk about is how bad their pay is or how bad Mesa or Gojets suck. Part 135 it is all about how one company screwed someone over or how many days someone got stuck out on the road ect....As for Kate and I, I am already fileing for divorce! (lol)

 

[Publishers]

Do you really expect anyone to sit at the computer and write how enjoyable their job is --especially with the great benefits they receive-- and the opportunity to work under great management --and how about the cost is no object CFO-- and how about I only have to work half the weeks per year-- and no weekend flying--plus direct deposit so I do not have to come to the bank anymore -- and what great equipment I get to fly, they buy a new and bigger one every year --- goes with my raise every year.

 

[climbhappy]

Could this defective pilot negativity gene somehow be linked to the propensity for child predators and pedophiles to search the web looking for their next victim. Are pilots Narcissists? Masochists? whiny crybabies? ungrateful prics? drug addicts? wife beaters? masterbeaters?

maybe dateline could lure negative pilots to a house and get our bitching on tape for America to see.

we'll figure this out somehow.

by the way, Happy Thanksgiving.

 

[Publishers]

I think it also comes from years of conversations over the microphone where things have to be shortened. As in
N XXY would like lower
What they mean to say is NXXY would like lower because you forgot me you jerk ATC controller and now I am going to have to put out he speed brakes and drop like a rock which is going to really piss of the boss in the back to where I amy be unemployed tomorrow and you will not give a -- well you know.
Constantly repressing this is cause of just looking for somewhere to bitch.

 

[climbhappy]

give me lower

that lower thing was a good one. of the captains i have flown with in a turbojet, many are incredibly impatient. sure , they (ATC)may have forgot, but when i thought we had plenty of tim e to get down and of course if it was a crossing restriction, we 'say can't do it. what i have seen is that a huge majority of these guys are always questioning where we're at as if we're not under radar control, questioinig whether or not i need to use flaps 1 or 2 to get down. almost always , they're heavy smokers. ii noticed my former use of nicotine would often keep me wound up llike a cat in the midst of five black labs. some guys are are so keyed up from nicotine and caffiene they're nervouse nellies, and definitilely need to get laid.

 

[Igor]

why do we complain

most days are fine then you have "one of those days"
a phone call from charter sales:


sales: hi joe pilot we have trip for you.
pilot: great give be the brief
s: La to honolu 40 pax plus catering
P: uh we only seat 9
s: (silence)
P: hello
S: oh um 3 are kids and one has no legs can you do it now.
P: no
s: hold on
minutes of musak
Sk its fuel right we will get you a tech stop in SFO
p:still can't do it
S:you re not team player
p:im trying i really am
S:well because of you we lost the sale thanks
p:sorry
S:Im calling the chief pilot about this!!
Pk
hang up

 

[Publishers]

You complain because you can.

 

[maverick121]

exactly, it's a free country!