Pilatus PC-12

[SATCFI]

My friend is considering the purchase of a pilatus PC-12 for his company. He has asked if I would fly for him. My question deals with insurance. Would I be insurable? I have around 2000tt, 600 ME and no turbo-prop time.

For those of you who flew the Pilatus, what were your times when you began?

Thanks,

 

[uwochris]

I know people from Canada that jumped into a PC12 with 250tt and the bare mins for multi (around 30 hours, with maybe 2 hours PIC). I guess it would depend though on the type of flying the company will do and the company from which the insurance is purchased.

 

[jergar999]

I don't think it would be too big of a problem getting on insurance. I started doing contract work with a company in a Commander 690B with 1300TT 1150ME 1050Turbine. The insurance company wanted me to ride with one of their instructors for 10 hours and then I was on the certificate.

 

[ClassG]

Not having any turbine time is going to be your biggest challenge. We recently tried to hire a guy with around 4000TT and over 1000multi, but he had no turbine time. Insurance broker (rep. US Specialty) told us it wouldn't fly. Basically told us he'd need a 100hrs PIC in the PC12 before trying again.

This gets even MORE difficult with a newer airframe (higher hull value).

The OPEN PILOT (read: pre-approved due to experience) requirements are around 4000TT with other ATP minimums met, and 1000hrs in SE turbine (caravan, etc counts).

Anyone else must be considered on a case-by-case, and it's getting harder all the time to get the insurance underwriters to consider any less.

Either way, a minimum of 10hrs in make/model with a CFI or other qualified pilot will be required. Sometimes this number can be increased to as high as 50 hours.

Good luck.

PM me for more info if you need it.

 

[mattpilot]

so how would one get Turbine Experience if no one is going to insure you? SiC time only i guess?

 

[Vik]

When I was buying a plane, I would ask questions like this, and what worked well is just picking up the phone and calling the insurance company and getting a quote and giving them your times to find out if they will insure. Insurance companies also change policies, so if someone was approved for the PC-12 6 months ago with only 250 TT, that might not be true anymore.

My friend is considering the purchase of a pilatus PC-12 for his company. He has asked if I would fly for him. My question deals with insurance. Would I be insurable? I have around 2000tt, 600 ME and no turbo-prop time.

For those of you who flew the Pilatus, what were your times when you began?

Thanks,

 

[FN FAL]

When I was buying a plane, I would ask questions like this, and what worked well is just picking up the phone and calling the insurance company and getting a quote and giving them your times to find out if they will insure. Insurance companies also change policies, so if someone was approved for the PC-12 6 months ago with only 250 TT, that might not be true anymore.

That sounds like pretty good advice...I would figure that if this gentleman is willing to spend 3 million or more in buying a plane and he considers you trusting enough to fly him around in it, that he would help you get through any hurdles neccessary to get his "flight department" founded and on the roll.

The owner should spend a little money in getting you "sim"ed up and ready to work.

Nothing a little dough can't cure.

Find out what the insurance company needs, git'r done and move on.

 

[xrated]

so how would one get Turbine Experience if no one is going to insure you? SiC time only i guess?

Nope. You'd need to hire a person with PC-12 time to baby sit you for 50-100 hrs. You'd basically have two pilots on the payroll for that time period. I'm sure the sales folks at Pilatus have plenty of names of those willing to do day rate contract work. Like others have said, considering the cost of the airplane, its a small price to pay to get the thing rolling.

The Pilatus is a very popular upgrade for pilots who previously owned piston twins. Most I've run into had no tubine experience and as most have mentioned the insurance companies want them to fly with a person with PC-12 time for a said amount of time before cutting them loose.

A lot of mention of multi time credentials here. Don't think its much of a factor for the PC-12.

I had around 2500 tt, 500 multi and 300 turbine sic time.

Hope this helps.

 

[FN FAL]

Nope. You'd need to hire a person with PC-12 time to baby sit you for 50-100 hrs. You'd basically have two pilots on the payroll for that time period. I'm sure the sales folks at Pilatus have plenty of names of those willing to do day rate contract work. Like others have said, considering the cost of the airplane, its a small price to pay to get the thing rolling.

The Pilatus is a very popular upgrade for pilots who previously owned piston twins. Most I've run into had no tubine experience and as most have mentioned the insurance companies want them to fly with a person with PC-12 time for a said amount of time before cutting them loose.

A lot of mention of multi time credentials here. Don't think its much of a factor for the PC-12.

I had around 2500 tt, 500 multi and 300 turbine sic time.

Hope this helps.

Maybe all the Pilatus pilots could start a Mentoring program. Donate their time to helping new guys get their start...that type of thing.

 

[Flywrite]

Maybe all the Pilatus pilots could start a Mentoring program. Donate their time to helping new guys get their start...that type of thing.

Oh yeah, guys working for free so the owner doesn't have to pay for it. Thats exactly what we need.

 

[Full of Foehn]

Popa

My question deals with insurance. Would I be insurable? I have around 2000tt, 600 ME and no turbo-prop time.

Contact somebody at POPA (Pilatus Owners and Pilots Association). They have good relationships with several insurers that will be saavy to your situation and the PC12.

Incidentally, your multi time will be important. For some reason they see it as a measure of experience, even for piloting a single turboprop. Who knows what lurks in the mind of an actuary?

I am currently flying a PC12, so if you have any other questions, just send me a PM.

FoF

 

[Geigo]

There's a guy I grew up with that came back from Alaska and was able to find a job flying a Pilatus. I'm guessing he had about 3500-4000 total time, 1,000 turbine (caravan), and MAYBE 20 multi. He told me the biggest issue for him was no pressurized time. He was able to talk a local doc with a 414 to give him 10 hours dual and was able to get by with that.


When all this was starting to happen he talked about trying to get me some time to be his back up pilot, but when all was said and done he quoted the open pilot requirements to include 1,000 turbine and 100 in type. So I have yet to get any time in it. C'est La Vie!!!