Piedmonts Large TurboPro Rates

[CFI2766]

More than 2 engines.

What are we talking here, C-130? Reman TU-144? Who makes a 'more than 2 engine' turboprop for transport?

 

[Long Time Gone]

I do understand German, however your words do not fit into the direction of this conversation.

Then you don't understand the history of ALG or PDT. Been there, done that, won the T-shirt, and burned it.

Good luck to all Y'all.

 

[I_Love_Lamp]

What are we talking here, C-130? Reman TU-144? Who makes a 'more than 2 engine' turboprop for transport?

DeHavilland, of course!! My favorite PDT captain line... "Well, back on the Dash 7..." (used almost exclusively to prove why SOP was unnecessary)

The large turboprop rates are for ATR72 or Dash 8-400. >50 seats.

 

[mu2]

I heard there was a Q400 at the D concorse in CLT the other day. Anyone see it? I did find a thread on another forum, but it's a very unreliable sorce.

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/3475462/

 

[mu2]

I see this is now posted:

Minimum Qualifications:
Commercial Pilot with multi-engine land rating

 

[flypixs]

I heard there was a Q400 at the D concorse in CLT the other day. Anyone see it? I did find a thread on another forum, but it's a very unreliable sorce.

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/3475462/

The Dash 400 was in Clt several times last week. It belongs to a charter company out of Toronto (Porter ). They only do charter ops. There was a wedding in Toronto and that family rented the dash to fly friends and relatives up north.

 

[mu2]

Why wasn't it at the FBO?

 

[flypixs]

Why wasn't it at the FBO?

That question I can not answer.

 

[NCFlyer]

Why wasn't it at the FBO?

If I had to guess it had to do with clearing customs on the "D" concourse.

In other news, no PDT a/c to paint yet. I talked with maintenance this morning (Monday) and they claim that the plane is/was ready to go any day last week but it seems that the "paint contract" wasn't finalized. So no paint yet.

Just another in the long list of excuses as to why no a/c has reached the paint shop yet.

I don't think they ever intend to paint them. You don't paint planes that you are going to park or get rid of.

Let's see:

1. Airways had planes painted and ready for debut the day the merger was made public, Sept 2005 (I think).

2. Airways is painting 1 plane per week the last I read.

3. PDT was to start its paint program 4Q 05 or 1Q 06 and here we are in the last week of June 07 and as yet not a single plane has made it to the paint shop.

4. Latest excuse - no paint contract?

Ask yourself, if you were going to paint planes in 05 or 06 why is it that in June 07 there is still no paint contract?

I think that the simple answer is, there never was any intention of painting planes. Certainly not in 2005 or not in 2006, possibly not even today.

Just excuse after excuse, or should I say lie after lie.

 

[ex j-41]

Just remember that Bigger Airplanes = Less Jobs.

Rather than the 4 flights to FAY we do a day this will be reduced to 2.
Half the flight crews needed. Parker has already stated that he wants to reduce the 50 seat flying. Maybe our management is not hiring F/o's because this is the easy way out of parking airplanes. Less congestion on the E gates, yada yada yada...
BTW i heard that if we do a high speed, Continuous duty overnight, that we only get paid for 1 day or 6 hrs. Is this true? Anyone confirm?

 

[Sig]

I think that the simple answer is, there never was any intention of painting planes. Certainly not in 2005 or not in 2006, possibly not even today.

Just excuse after excuse, or should I say lie after lie.

I wish I knew who you were. You're exactly right- there's no way they ever intended to paint these planes.

While shooting the feces in the outdoor smoking lounge in CLT, a couple of us came to that conclusion and have decided to keep playing with management on this topic; let's see just how creative they can get!

Two other ideas cropped up: Either they've been serious about flushing the fleet, or they're serious about flushing the fleet while replacing it.

I mean, the 400 and Piedmont's clapped out fleet has been a hot topic since Wolf, for chrissakes. Following the latest CEO's rhetoric, he imagines that PDT would be more viable with a 300 and 400 (sized) fleet. SO why in god's name would you paint a 100?

It's just a band-aid on top of a festering infection.

 

[CFI2766]

DeHavilland, of course!! My favorite PDT captain line... "Well, back on the Dash 7..." (used almost exclusively to prove why SOP was unnecessary)

The large turboprop rates are for ATR72 or Dash 8-400. >50 seats.

Gotcha, now I get it. I didn't think that there were going to be any new three or more engine turboprops in the CONUS.

The ATR is a great A/C, but I believe that they are pretty hard to come by these days. I understand the factory has re-opened the production line, but that they are sold out for years down the road.

 

[WSurf]

Yea, Painting the planes at this point is rather useless! US Airways management has allowed one of the better regional airlines to sink further and further down the sh$t hole!

And does getting new airplanes really matter? Jeez, they are talking about replacement aircraft.... not growth!

If they ordered 30 Q300 and 20 Q400's.... people would still bail this place! Its still a freaking Turbo Prop that nobody wants to fly!

Only Solution! Very good FO payrates! Upgrade of 3 years or Less!

Or the only one thing that would keep folks here---------> Flowthru!!

 

[Sig]

And does getting new airplanes really matter?

Not really, no. But the idea is if we are supposed to be around a while, why paint a 100 that certainly has no future?

Why aren't any PSA planes in the new livery?

 

[Booker]

BTW i heard that if we do a high speed, Continuous duty overnight, that we only get paid for 1 day or 6 hrs.

Hang on...You guys have high speeds now?

 

[MEL'ed]

yeah, who has CDOs at PDT? Those have to be pre-approved by the union don't they? Did they do that?

 

[Sig]

LOA#1 prevents it.

 

[ex j-41]

It doesn't matter what our contract says. The company does what the company wants to do.

 

[flypixs]

Aircraft in paint shop

Why don't we go ahead and submit an ask piedmont, and we do it every single day until steeeve fugging farrrowww is sick and tired of all the junk he get's via email? Maybe someone should call Rooy Bucker in sby and tell him to hit some tennis balls up his booboo next time they play tennis.........

 

[Captzaahlie]

Just remember that Bigger Airplanes = Less Jobs.

Rather than the 4 flights to FAY we do a day this will be reduced to 2.
Half the flight crews needed. Parker has already stated that he wants to reduce the 50 seat flying. Maybe our management is not hiring F/o's because this is the easy way out of parking airplanes. Less congestion on the E gates, yada yada yada...
BTW i heard that if we do a high speed, Continuous duty overnight, that we only get paid for 1 day or 6 hrs. Is this true? Anyone confirm?

yeah, who has CDOs at PDT? Those have to be pre-approved by the union don't they? Did they do that?

The guy that posted that is a PSA dude..........

read the fine print....... (look at his credentials)

GEEZ You kids are jumpy arent ya?

 

[WSurf]

It doesn't matter what our contract says. The company does what the company wants to do.

The Problem with running COD's at PDT is that the way our contract is written it would cost the company some big bucks!

On the flipside, spending really seems to me no big issue at PDT (except when it comes to new aircraft and caring for current employees). Lets see.... New Hire's that just got put in there new bases!! 32 of them... hmmmmm thats 80k and if they stay one year then thats 160k! And what did we get that have been here for more that 2 years????

A big thanks for all your 14hr duty days, and 200bucks for not calling out sick!

And the company still can't figure out why people wanna leave??? What a joke!!

 

[ex j-41]

I always thought the pay scales were old school thinking. Why does a 5 year captain make half of what a 20 year captain?
They both do the same job, except the 5 year captain most likely works weekends and holidays.
Now i don't think the pay should be the same but a lot closer than they are.

The company can have a first year F/O at $21/hr or a 5 year at $36.
If you were a manager what would you want? After 2 years for them to move on. So make them uncomfortable and hopefully they will leave. Find some 250/hr newbie and start the process all over. Who suffers? Training dept and now the Captains are instructors....for free. And the company still gets away with putting the crews in the worst hotels. What can we do? Damm if i know.

 

[quinnlake]

It doesn't matter what our contract says. The company does what the company wants to do.

The company may do what the want to do, but you can refuse it if it in not approved by you're contract! Ask WSurf how he handled a contract violation. The contract is only strong if we insist the company abide by it.