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Pi$$ off the TSA-Lose your ticket

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Contact TSA

If you would like to pass on any positive feedback or concerns to TSA regarding your experience, you should contact a screener supervisor. You may also contact the TSA Consumer Response Center, toll-free at 1-866-289-9673 during the following hours of operation (All times are Eastern Standard Time):

Monday thru Friday, 8 am - 10 pm
Saturday, Sunday and Holidays, 10 am - 6 pm
 
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merikeyegro said:
I know that most of us will not stand up for it because it "doesn't affect us" - the white Americans.
I agree that most of us are way to apathetic. But being white doesn't have a whole lot to do with who the feds screw with. Ask Bob Hoover, Randy Weaver and all those folks at Waco... oh, we can't ask them. most were killed.

However, they will do what it takes to stay in power and keep gettin' their $. The only way to stop it is to get Congress to cut off the cash.
Agree completely. Call your Congressman re. NPRM (notice of proposed rulemaking)2003-14293, Ineligibility for an Airman Certificate Based on Security Grounds. TSA gets their authority from Congress based upon the Trasportation Security Act of 2001.

Capital Switchboard 1-202-224-3121.

Remember, elections are only November 2004. Not that far away, in the grand scheme of things...STAY ON IT...
the real power comes with money and influence. This will come through the AOPA. They're the most influential group for the "little guy" who want's to fly. Join AOPA!

Originally posted by toneal
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Sorry to disagree, but IMO it would be a waste of time to call the TSA. probably a good way to get on their "list" though.
 
And how, exactly, does taking away a person's certificate fix the security threat? Would September 11th not have happened if their ATP Certificates had been revoked? Oh wait, none of the terrorists had ATP Certificates and of course the Government had failed to identify any of them as terrorists and had let them in the Country despite the fact they were not resident aliens, or had any immigration status which should have allowed their travel into the United States.

Who exactly is this administrative procedure designed to stop and how exactly would pulling a Pilot's Certificate stop someone intent on mass murder?
 
Knee Jerk

This is just another knee jerk or pencil whip solution to give them the warm fuzzy and think they are doing good. Just like not letting crews carry certain items anymore. Although the pen I carry can kill someone just as quick as a knife or a leatherman.

I want to know what they are going to do with all these TSA workers now that they don't do gate checks? There was enough of them sitting around doing nothing when they did gate checks. I hate to see how many will be sitting around now. It's just a glorified welfare system. They work for the government now so they have a job and benefits for life doing nothing. Our tax dollars well spent. :mad:
 
From Dept676:

"It's just a glorified welfare system"

Actually, maybe some of these folks were former manufacturing people whose jobs moved out of the country compliments of our government and big business. So the government is trying to keep the unemployment numbers down by creating jobs :rolleyes:!

From merikeyegro:

"God Bless America..."

I think God would like to but we won't let Him.
 
Creating jobs

Hey I am all for keeping jobs in the USA. When you hire all these nitwits and have them searching my bags and granny's somethings wrong. So hiring them and making them go sit at the airport and giving them authority to take your license when they think you are a security risk is right? I don't think most of these workers would know a "security risk" if it came up and bit them in the a$$. The only difference between regular welfare and the TSA is these people actually have to go to work and sit instead of sitting at home.
 
toneal said:
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Contact TSA

If you would like to pass on any positive feedback or concerns to TSA regarding your experience, you should contact a screener supervisor. You may also contact the TSA Consumer Response Center, toll-free at 1-866-289-9673 during the following hours of operation (All times are Eastern Standard Time):

Monday thru Friday, 8 am - 10 pm
Saturday, Sunday and Holidays, 10 am - 6 pm

When you call, please spell your name slowly and give the number of your pilot certificate.

(This was sarcasm).
 
This is bull$hit

We all need to write out senators and congressmen. Tell them that this administration is getting WAY out of hand. This "In the name of national secruity" crap isn't going to cut it anymore. ALL OF US NEED TO DO SOMETHING OR OUR VOICE WON'T BE HEARD!!!
 
try 202-224-3121 for the Congressional switchboard

www.uscongress.com for email and other info.

To post feedback directly, go to the following site...

http://dms.dot.gov

Do a simple search and enter "2003-14293"

Press "comment/submission"

Click "continue" then fill in the blanks.

Remember, the docket ID is "2003-14293"

Operating Administration "FAA"

Docket Existence "Does Exist"

Docket Title is "Ineligibility for an Airman Certificate Based on Security Grounds"

You put whatever you want in the comments, but I'd recommend something short and to the point.
 
Re: due process

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merikeyegro said:
Yeah, I'm all for keeping jobs, but in the private sectory. That's a whole different thread...

Amendment 5 of the US Constitution Bill or Rights specifically states that "No person shall...be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process..." Where does the TSA get off just yanking the certs?

Man, I'm pi$$ed...




What he said.............



AF
 
Late night BUMP

to keep this at the top

For anyone who hasn't read the surrounding articles on this,
here is a quote from TSA spokesman Brian Turmaile: "If you're not a threat to aviation security, this doesn't have anything to do with you."

OK, sounds good....wait...who defines what a "threat" is?

Oh...the TSA....ummmm.....so the same agency responsible for enforcing this "law" is also responsible for defining who is culpable under this "law"?

Take Mr Turmaile's quote above and replace "aviation security" with "the Third Reich"....not so comforting, is it?

It's only a matter of time before "TSA" overtakes "KGB" as the most feared government acronym.

Fight this now, fight it hard, and fight it until it is dead. This is a blatant violation of constitutional rights, and you will never find a more perfect example of "a slippery slope" than this.
 
How many of the hijackers were FAA pilots? Would taking their license away stop them? The US should nip all this in the bud and have the INS do their job, then homeland security would be obsolete.
 
Do what I do

Whenever I go to work and I have to go through the checkpoint I don't plan on saying a word to those bastards. Who knows, you might get a screener who had a fight with his wife last night and he has a stick up his a$$ and just has it out for anybody who gives him the wrong look. Don't give them a reason to give you any trouble.
 
Here are ALPA president Duane Woerth's comments on this:
ALPA's President, Capt. Duane Woerth, on January 24 issued a statement blasting a final rule announced that day by the FAA that would revoke the airman certificate of any pilot, mechanic, or dispatcher if the Transportation Security Administration (TSA) finds the person to be a "security threat." Such action would effectively end that worker's employment in the airline industry.

Capt. Woerth acknowledged, "The government has a legitimate interest in keeping terrorists off of airplanes, both as passengers and as airline and airport employees." This draconian rule, however, "is rooted more in '1984' than in Sept. 11, 2001," he declared. "While ALPA has strongly supported most of TSA's actions to increase aviation security, this rule clearly crosses the line separating legitimate security measures from secretive, unaccountable government conduct.

"While the rule spells out in clear detail the process by which the revocation would occur," Capt. Woerth pointed out, it includes "absolutely no discussion of standards, procedures, or criteria" by which the TSA might decide that a person is a "security threat."

"Furthermore, while the individual may appeal the initial finding," he continued, the final rule makes "no provision for the individual to obtain any information as to why or how the determination was made, which makes the appeal virtually an empty exercise."

Capt. Woerth warned, "The unanswered questions about how one is determined by the TSA to be a 'security threat' should evoke a chill in every American. Pilots and other workers would be unable to invoke the traditional right to access and refute the information that is being used against them."

He added that ALPA was disappointed that "the rule was introduced in final form, with no opportunity for meaningful comment, and with no notification to the portions of the
aviation community that have an interest in, and worked actively with the TSA, on security issues."

Capt. Woerth emphasized that airline pilots, mechanics, and other airline workers already are required to clear a 10-year criminal background check with fingerprinting.

"Conviction for a wide range of crimes, ranging from serious violations to relatively minor infractions, already will effectively end an airliner worker's employment in the name of security," he said. "This latest rule apparently lowers the bar to mere suspicions that are not the result of the kind of due process that most Americans would expect before they are branded as a security threat."

1. I'm impressed that DW's speech writers made the connection between the TSA and the Thought Police. Maybe they read this forum.

2. ALPA and AOPA are on this like white on rice. That alone should focus enough legislative and judical branch attention on this unconstitutional deprivation of due process to revise the procedure or kill it altogether.

If one single pilot loses his or her ticket over this, I think all pilots in the USA should have a one day strike in protest... no one flies. Spread the word.
 
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merikeyegro said:
SOMEONE has to check this bastards.
You're exactly right. I really believe GA would be all but gone without the AOPA after hearing some of the cr@p proposals from various legislators over the last 18 mos.

God knows they have already tried to circumvent the Constitution. Far be it for THAT document to stop a United States government agency...
Yes they have and it will probably continue - it's the rule rather than the exception to have government officials STOMPING all over the Constitution. they ALL think they're *smarter* than the people who wrote the founding documents. Arrogant self-serving worms.

To think that I voted IN FAVOR of this administration.
and you'd rather have Algore in charge?! I quit voting on philosophical terms in '92. You see where that got us.

Well, in all fairness, the Dems did have a huge input into federalizing the screeners. I think GWB was against it...
Very much so, but decided the overall good of the bill was worth the DNC Pork of hiring more federal employees. Remember who controlled the Senate back then. Tom (wife's a millionaire lobbyist) Daschile. The Dems had to expand their welfare/voter base.

Congrats, ALPA, on a wonderful commentary. Good to know we're not the only pi$$ed of Americans. I think if more Americans knew about it, they'd be angry, too. This is all just too crazy...
Problem is, the rule makers know we'll forget about it after a few weeks and let up on them. It's a method of instilling change in a group of people who would otherwise resist. don't know if it's really called this, but I had a manger once who called it the "chaos theory." You start shaking up the group (pilots in this case) with wild proposals and radical edicts. Then, after ewveryone is sufficiently shaken up, you then can either sneak in the intended change or just walk it in with the group just happy you didn't continue with the first whacky proposals.

It all comes back to the fact that we're extremely happy here in the US. People really don't care about the agenda of these insincere people as long as they can still watch football, the ATM still spits out $$ and gas is $1.45/gal for the new Navigator. When that changes, people will start paying attention to the loss of freedoms and amount of theivery & corruption that's happening in public service.
 
There are several posts here regarding "merikeyegro", yet I see none of his posts here. Were they deleted?
 

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