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psysicx

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What do you think.Some of the military helo pilots I know are thinking about doing this.We all know Tab has a bad record on this board.Is this considered PFT still since there paying you and your not paying them?I still think its a bad idea.



TAB Express Airlines announces, for a limited time; FULL REBATE OF TRAINING COSTS!

Co-pilots, with no experience or with ratings, who sign a 4-year commitment to fly for TAB Express Airlines, will receive repayment of the entire cost of training at the end of the four-year period. The requirements to receive the full repayment at the end of the four years are:

Pass all your oral and flight stage check with a 3.0 average. Must successfully pass your commercial multi-engine check flight on the first try.
Must successfully complete TAB Express Airlines Express 12 and13 (Indoc), and 14 (Beech 1900 type rating).
Must successfully complete and pass an FAA part 135 SIC check ride.
Must successfully complete and pass an FAA part 135 Captain's upgrade ride upon 1500 hrs.
If the FOC has not maintained an average grade of 3.0 on all oral and flight stage checks (private /private multi /instrument and commercial), but has made steady progress, a FOC may request a Captains' board review. A captains board will review the FOC training record and determine whether or not the FOC is capable of successfully completing the remaining training and go on to TAB Express Airlines.

If you are offered and accept the four-year contract, you will be reimbursed your contracted training cost for Express 1 through Express 15 less the payments that you will receive during Express 15. TAB Express does not reimburse you for living expenses, check rides or other expenses incurred during training. Pay is above industry average with First Officer Candidates receiving $25/flight hour (after completing 250 flight hours in the Beech 1900 with TAB Express Airlines) and Captains receiving $35/flight hour. Upgrades to Captain are at 1500 hours. Classes are filling up quickly. Call toll-free at 866-785-0092 now for more information.

TAB Express has recognized an industry-wide pilot turnover of 60% for most small commuter airlines, resulting in substantially high training costs. By offering this incentive, TAB Express Airlines hopes to build a solid four-year pilot base.


Advantages:

Above industry average First Officer ($25/flight hour) and Captain ($35/flight hour) pay.
Upgrade for First Officer to Captain at 1500 hours.
"Florida's Home-Grown Airline" means you're home every night.
No large training debt to carry after completing your four years with TAB Express Airlines.
After completing your Captain PIC requirements with TAB, you are qualified to interview for most major U.S. airline carriers.
20-year low-interest loans at rates a few points above LIBOR, 20-month deferment or longer to cover training costs.
No college degree required entering regional airlines. (Only a 2-year degree and working on a 4-year degree are required to enter most major airlines.)
Build college credit while you train for TAB Express Airlines.
Most aviation colleges recognize TAB Express Airlines training program as a year and a half of college credit.
Most aviation colleges with distant learning programs (college via the internet) give up to a year and a half credit for obtaining a commercial pilot's license. This only leaves a half year of college credit for you to obtain a 2-year degree making you eligible for most major airlines.
Once you've completed your training and have built your flight time to 500 hours with TAB Express Airlines, TAB Express Airlines will help get an interview with a regional U.S. airline, if you do not sign a contract to fly with TAB Express Airlines
 
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i don't know anything about their program other than the advertisements I see for it in aviation related mags.. however, they've been advertising for their "up and coming airline" for years now. I don't think there is actually a flying TAB Express airline, is there???

that alone would make me very cautious.

BTW, why are military helo pilots thinking of doing this? Can they not land a good job based on their military merits/experience/training alone?
 
BTW, why are military helo pilots thinking of doing this? Can they not land a good job based on their military merits/experience/training alone?

Because airlines and most flight departments require X amount of fixed wing time (hours) and it is impossible to land one of these gigs solely with helo time which is pretty much all the majority of these guys have when leaving active duty.

As for the original post, ask yourself a simple question, can see yourself spending 4+ years at Tab. Ain't nuttin for free in this world that is worth anything.

I would love to see the actual contract. I could only imagine what it is comprised of.
 
Not Safe!

Tell your friends something important. TAB does not operate as an airline yet. Their current 135 certificate is very limited by the fact that they only have one 1900C on it. TAB will most likely never make it as a 121 operator in Florida. They are advertising something that does not exist. Between GIA, CHQ, PSA, Vintage Props, and many (!) others, there is no room for any 121 competition. There are also no codeshares to aquire to any airports worthwhile.

At GIA about 15% of the pilots are Army helo guys. A few of them are Captains that got asked to stick around. If money and time is a concern, then they should look at Gulfstream. From my personal knowledge of TAB, I wouldn't give that company a dime. If your friends want a cheaper, better, and more solid experience, tell them to instruct. Being a CFI is always the best way.
 
Do NOT...I repeat Do NOT go to TAB Express. They will steal your money and your time.

The only thing you will get at TAB is FRAUD and DECEIT.

I know a few people there that are in hundreds of thousands of debt and not a single hour in a BE1900 and the crooks will not refund their money.

DO not go there...they will steal from you.
 
Don't pay the TAB

. . . or drink any TAB cola. Read the comments above. Please, search the board for TAB. TAB holds itself out as "Florida's Own Airline," but where is its operating certifcate? TAB students are paying, and paying, and paying. How do you spell "fraud"? I spell it TAB Express. Beware of any advertising that has "First Officer," "First Officer Training Program," or addresses generically, "Dear Prospective First Officer."

I recall that the operatives at TAB had run that school in Orlando (I cannot recall the name at the moment) that shuttered its doors after taking students for thousands of dollars.

TAB is P-F-T in its worst incarnation.
 
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Yea bobby...it was ATA or something like that with the sidekick Discover Air operating J31's or was it Emb120's don't know...those people got hosed...same management team...can't believe they have the gall to show their faces at Airinc after screwing so many people.

The only thing that will stop them is a class action lawsuit along the lines of fraud in the inducement and bank fraud.
 
Yet another buy-a-job program. I bet training is foaming at the mouth right about now. Sounds to me like they're just giving you $25 bucks an hour for the time, and in 4 years, you'll have made back your training costs. :)

TAB took a friend of mine for about $60K, and never came through on the job interview they promised him. They are a CRAP company. I advise anybody to RUN RUN FAR AWAY!
 
The_Russian said:
From my personal knowledge of TAB, I wouldn't give that company a dime. If your friends want a cheaper, better, and more solid experience, tell them to instruct. Being a CFI is always the best way.

TAB is a ripoff. Just wait until you try to explain logging SIC in a single pilot aircraft...no matter what those used car salesmen claim you can log it as in the ad, you're nothing but ballast...and any competent interviewer/recruiter will call BS on you...making your money well wasted. Besides...4 years of that sh!t and you'd never wanna fly again.

Becky, we got our CFIs together...lotta good that did us....not! stupid towel heads
 
RUNNINHORN said:
what does PFT mean?
Pay For Training. It is used for those people who pay an airline (or flight school) to get a job, rather than working for it and then having the airline pay for the training (and hopefully your time as well).

Two examples:
Gulfstream charges $30,000 for a "first officer" to join the airline, go through indoc, systems, and simulator training, as well as fly 250 hours in the right seat of a Beach 1900. The percieved perk is that you don't have to get your CFI and "waste" your time teaching other people to fly.

On the other hand, most airlines are hiring qualified individuals with 600 total and 100 multi and pay for the training, hotel (usually), and even for your time (usually). Right now, an example of an airline that is paying for training, but not the hotel and daily pay is ExpressJet. An example of an airline paying for it all is Colgan; hotel (SpringHill Suites), and daily ($50/day).

If you're curious about the impression people have of Gulfstream, try the search feature near the top of the page. In most areas, flight instructors are in great demand and actually make quite a bit more than first-year pay at the regional airlines. Good luck.

Shy
 
P-f-t

ShyFlyGuy said:
Gulfstream charges $30,000 for a "first officer" to join the airline, go through indoc, systems, and simulator training, as well as fly 250 hours in the right seat of a Beach 1900. The percieved perk is that you don't have to get your CFI and "waste" your time teaching other people to fly.
Don't forget about the 250 hours of so-called Part 121 "experience" gained from the 1900's right seat. This intent of this "experience" is to vault you past the masses into a job with Gulfstream or some other regional.

The problem with this scheme is two-fold. 1) There are no guarantees of hire after you fly off the 250, at Gulfstream or elsewhere, which means that if your other totals are deficient you will have to up them another way to qualify for the regionals, perhaps by instructing. So much for circumventing flight instructing. In the meantime, your 250 hours of 121 are growing stale by the day. 2) A great many pilots who worked hard to achieve their goals dislike those who try to end-run they system via P-F-T. One might encounter them at the pilot interview board. They may well blackball you. So much for the 250 hours of 121 time vaulting you past the "masses." In the meantime, you or whoever funded your P-F-T tuition are out the money.
runninhorn said:
what does PFT mean?
All your questions will be answered thoroughly if you run a board search of P-F-T. Search "P-F-T" and "Gulfstream" for abundant discussion of both.
 
I heard of....

a guy who is in TAB flying right seat in a 1900 with only His private pilots license he is paying big bucks sounds smelly to say the least Vavso
 
Ain't nuttin for free in this world that is worth anything.
True dat, yo! :D



And remember you folks that are going to do the hiring one day (I know one of you already is, but for the rest) ...


PFT on resume = No hire ... no excuses!

This has been a public service announcement from the Society for Healthy, Intelligent Training. Remember us? We da S.H.I.T. :cool:


Captain Minhberg
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