Pft

[Stearmandriver]

Uhmmm... LOL

Noooooo..... sounds like you're talking logistics... but they're both still a prerequisite to getting hired, and a form of PFT

In PFT, the company requires you to pay for training that FlightSafety or Simuflite provides (SIC checkout or type rating), in Casper's case, $15K.

At SWA, it is a prerequisite just like a typical trashy charter company, but you still have to pay for it somehow prior to being accepted, $8K.

So what is the difference?? Is your point the fact that the charter company pockets a profit from PFT?

PA56, FalconCapt. is right. Do you know how many furloughed USAir guys (who know darn well they're never going back) have taken their 737 type over to SWA? Did these guys "pay for training?" Nope, not one bit. They never paid for their 737 types, and SWA paid for their SWA training in full. Compare this with a guy I know who was hired at Coex around a year before me (when new-hires still had to PFT): he was coming from a freight company and already HAD a type in the E120, yet when he was hired into the 120 at CoEx he had to plunk down ten grand for CoEx training on an aircraft he was ALREADY TYPED IN. (And yes I'd agree that this was dumb, I'm just using it as an example of REAL PFT.)

But unfortunately there are far too many people out there who just don't get why PFT is such a dumb thing; the booming business that places like Commutair, Mesa academy, TabExpress etc. do is proof enough of this. I'm not real familiar with how common it is on the corporate side of things as the only corporate jobs I'm applying for are the types of places that wouldn't require PFT. And God but that sounded elitist; let me qualify it by saying that I have a pretty good job now, flying good equipment and accruing good time, and so I can afford to be picky. I've got alot of friends who can't, and believe me I sympathize. However, even my out-of-work friends have turned down PFT jobs. I've got nothing but admiration for that.

Joe

 

[pa56pa]

Of course, on that angle, you do have a point there... there's no denying that still many people DO pay for their own 737 type to get in SWA....

Confusion is in the type of training... I believe Casper was talking about having to pay for a Citation TYPE... but whether it is an initial, an SIC checkout, or a type... an applicant still has to pay (was my point).. to get the job, in his case, a charter job. It's still a form of PFT. But, I do understand Falcons and your point of view as far as PFT is concerned, i.e. CO-ex, and other commuters who charge for training.

Question: If an experienced pilot that had an Airbus or a B757 type transferred over to SWA, he would still need the 737 type, right? (Correct me if I'm wrong...)

PA

 

[banned username 2]

Question: If an experienced pilot that had an Airbus or a B757 type transferred over to SWA, he would still need the 737 type, right? (Correct me if I'm wrong...)

Yes, because a B-737 Type Rating is a prerequisite to getting hired at SWA... However, SWA will pay for ALL of his REQUIRED training to perform his job at SWA as well as pay him a salary while he attends training... In addition to the B-737 Type Rating, I beleive SWA may also require a 4 year college degree as a prerequisite to getting hired...

 

[pilotyip]

where is Bobby

Bobby has the legal definition of PFT; he should render a decision soon to cover the inconsistencies.

 

[banned username 2]

Re: where is Bobby

Bobby has the legal definition of PFT; he should render a decision soon to cover the inconsistencies.

Bobby is probably out studying to get another one of those "useless" college degrees...

(Sorry, couldn't resist...)

Geez... My 2,000th post ends up being in a PFT thread discussing the validity of a pilot having a 4 year degree! My stars must be aligned tonight!

 

[Timebuilder]

And here I thought that milestone post would be about Bar Be Que!!

 

[banned username 2]

And here I thought that milestone post would be about Bar Be Que!!

I was hoping! I didn't even realize it was #2000 until after I hit "submit"!

 

[Stearmandriver]

i.e. CO-ex, and other commuters who charge for training.
PA

Well, it's not often that I sing the praises of CoEx (or any other RJ operator) these days, but I suppose to be fair, I should point out that CoEx doesn't require PFT any longer. They stopped requiring that around 6mos before I got hired (around 5 years ago). New hires these days get their training for free at CoEx's own training center, they are provided a hotel room, and they're even paid a training wage from day one. This is better than some line pilots get treated!


Falcon Capt, 2000 posts? Geez man, and I thought I spent alot of time online lately!!


Joe

 

[pilotyip]

Degree useless?

Mr. DA Capt, I have never stated a college degree is useless, I have only stated its importance in an aviation career is misplaced. I have stated going into a four year on-campus program may not be the best courses to follow if your career goal is to be a professional pilot. I have even admitted that the college degree may open doors at a few select employers. I have offered an alternate to the traditional four year college degree program for prospective professional pilots and that is build TJ PIC and get your degree on the side. The airlines do not care what your degree is in or where it came from. I have stated if you want to go college and get a real degree, good for you, both you and the country will benefit from your efforts. I have stated that a college degree has nothing to do with flying an airplane, I am getting support from many readers that this is true. So your statement that I think a college degree is useless is incorrect. BTW congrats on the 2000 number, that must put you in the top 10?

 

[2000flyer]

Re: Re: where is Bobby

Geez... My 2,000th post ... My stars must be aligned tonight!

And it seems like only yesterday I was congratulating you on your 1500th! Looks like I'll have to pony up that 2000 pin now! Congrats my friend for keeping us entertained, enlightened, informed and amused!

2000Flyer

 

[pa56pa]

I beleive SWA may also require a 4 year college degree as a prerequisite to getting hired...

Thanks Falcon50....

Btw, a degree is not required at SWA... just verified that w/ a CP... although they prefer it...

and...

my son reads some of these posts... LOL .. he's 10 yrs. old... he told me " 'I' comes before 'E' , except for receive, Pops"

 

[banned username 2]

Re: Degree useless?

Mr. DA Capt, I have never stated a college degree is useless, I have only stated its importance in an aviation career is misplaced. I have stated going into a four year on-campus program may not be the best courses to follow if your career goal is to be a professional pilot. I have even admitted that the college degree may open doors at a few select employers. I have offered an alternate to the traditional four year college degree program for prospective professional pilots and that is build TJ PIC and get your degree on the side. The airlines do not care what your degree is in or where it came from. I have stated if you want to go college and get a real degree, good for you, both you and the country will benefit from your efforts. I have stated that a college degree has nothing to do with flying an airplane, I am getting support from many readers that this is true. So your statement that I think a college degree is useless is incorrect. BTW congrats on the 2000 number, that must put you in the top 10?

PilotYIP... Does mean anything to you? I was having a little fun, not trying to re-ignite a dead horse... Relax...

I have even admitted that the college degree may open doors at a few select employers.

It's FAR more than "a few select employers", I realize you have been at USAJet a long time and might not be aware of how times have changed... A College degree is no longer looked at as a "bonus point", it is pretty much expected... The job market has changed and will continue to get more competitive...

BTW congrats on the 2000 number, that must put you in the top 10?

Thank You! Here is a list of the current Top 10 posters Flight Info Top 10

 

[banned username 2]

Thanks Falcon50....

Btw, a degree is not required at SWA... just verified that w/ a CP... although they prefer it...

Some of the airlines have not made it a formal requirement... I know UAL didn't REQUIRE it, but over 99% of those getting interviewed had a 4 year degree... Does a person want to shoot for one of the thousands of slots in the 99% group or one of a very small handful of shots in the "less than 1% group"? If you want to play this game, you want as many things in your court as you can get...

 

[pa56pa]

Oh no way.... I'm glad to have my hard earned diploma, thx

 

[2000flyer]

Re: Re: Degree useless?

Thank You! Here is a list of the current Top 10 posters Flight Info Top 10

Alright! I've made it to page four of the "top" list! Lets see, at 0.81 posts per day average x 24 x 365 x .... Oh...nevermind....I'll never catch y'all!