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[Casper]

Gulfstream 200,
I thought that a company will hire you based on your experience and character so if I decide to buy a Type Rating does this mean that I don't have the brains to get a job the other way like you say ? Sorry Bud but it seems to me that I have enough brains to be able to put myself through University take care of a family and aquire my Ratings and flight time without anyones help I may not have alot of time but what I have is quality and so what if I want to buy a Type does this not show a company that I am dedicated to be a pilot, that I want to get ahead? Yes I agree that it sucks that I have to do it but I can afford it so why not, look at the market we are in this is the career that we have chosen I don't believe in luck I think study and hard work pay off but if you have the means to to give yourself an edge over someone else why not ? for god sake man there are 1000 guys out for the same position. And by the way I have just one question for you, with the experience you have and the metal you have flown why are you not working?
It must be your ATTITUDE..

 

[English]

Duck...incoming!

 

[2000flyer]

Gulfstream 200,
I thought that a company will hire you based on your experience and character so if I decide to buy a Type Rating does this mean that I don't have the brains to get a job the other way like you say ? Sorry Bud but it seems to me that I have enough brains to be able to put myself through University take care of a family and aquire my Ratings and flight time without anyones help I may not have alot of time but what I have is quality and so what if I want to buy a Type does this not show a company that I am dedicated to be a pilot, that I want to get ahead? Yes I agree that it sucks that I have to do it but I can afford it so why not, look at the market we are in this is the career that we have chosen I don't believe in luck I think study and hard work pay off but if you have the means to to give yourself an edge over someone else why not ? for god sake man there are 1000 guys out for the same position. And by the way I have just one question for you, with the experience you have and the metal you have flown why are you not working?
It must be your ATTITUDE..

Maybe I missed an early comment on this but I will tell you, at 1700 hours or so, buying a type (unless someone has said "buy one and I'll hire you") isn't really worth the paper it's printed on. Corporations who are looking for a type rating are also looking for TIME in type. Thats as important as the type itself.

I don't know what type you're planning on buying, but lets say a Citation 500 type for example. Welcome to a club where you have literally thousands of members, a majority of whom have hundreds to thousands of hours. A pilot with 2000 hours and 300 in type is far more ideal a candidate than you who had the money to buy the type.

I'm not trying to rain on your parade, but all your doing is tossing a large sum of money in the toilet. It doesn't prove you are capable of getting a type rating. Any CP already figures you're able to pass an initial/type ride. Walking in and plunking down your wet-ink certificate and saying "see, I passed" isn't going to get you too far.

IMHO
2000Flyer

 

[Gulfstream 200]

And by the way I have just one question for you, with the experience you have and the metal you have flown why are you not working?


OK...where in the world did this come from??

Im not working now?????? I may not fly nearly as much as I want to, but I guess I am employed......at least they keep paying me...?!

Stop the rambling man, get ahold of yourself.....your comprehension skills and the lack of self control might be keeping from REAL job opportunities!!

..just an idea...


GOOD LUCK!

 

[7B2]

Hey Casper,
Maybe this will clarify it;
prostitution is illegal in the US!!

That's what you're doing. You are paying in return of services.

Ok, maybe prostitution wasn't such a good example after all.
Hmm,......gotta go

 

[Gulfstream 200]

whoa.

dont ever confuse a prostitute with a PFT lackey.

A prostitute gets paid for thier services.

 

[FracCapt]

Plus most pilots LIKE prostitutes...but hate PFT..

 

[GVFlyer]

PFT

A pilot is paid what he's worth.

 

[G100driver]

I thought that a company will hire you based on your experience and character so if I decide to buy a Type Rating does this mean that I don't have the brains to get a job the other way like you say ? Sorry Bud but it seems to me that I have enough brains to be able to put myself through University take care of a family and aquire my Ratings and flight time without anyones help I may not have alot of time but what I have is quality and so what if I want to buy a Type does this not show a company that I am dedicated to be a pilot, that I want to get ahead? Yes I agree that it sucks that I have to do it but I can afford it so why not, look at the market we are in this is the career that we have chosen I don't believe in luck I think study and hard work pay off but if you have the means to to give yourself an edge over someone else why not ? for god sake man there are 1000 guys out for the same position. And by the way I have just one question for you, with the experience you have and the metal you have flown why are you not working?

What the heck University did you go to? Remind me not to send my kids there. The Engligh 101 class is a bit lacking.

 

[mobie]

PFT

In a weak moment I thought about paying for a G-V type, then I PMed one of this board's high time G pilots and found out the cost. I talked to people at Gulfstream and found out that no time in type =no work. A company that can buy and fly this type of aircraft would pay all training for the right person. If a company wants you to pay they will not have the airplane very long. Mobie

 

[pa56pa]

OK.. what difference is PFT for a C550, compared to a B737 type for Southwest?? Are all SWA pilots prostitutes??

 

[banned username 2]

Casper,

A Type Rating without SIGNIFICANT time-in-type is useless...

Don't waste your money, it won't get your further ahead...

And for PA56... The difference between PFT and SWA is that in PFT the company requires you to pay for training that THEY provide... SWA requires a Type Rating as a prerequisite to getting hired, SWA doesn't make you pay them for the type.

 

[Timebuilder]

Corporations who are looking for a type rating are also looking for TIME in type. Thats as important as the type itself.

Casper-

I have time in type, and even I decided to not go out and buy a type rating. I simply don't see the upside in doing so.

I saw dozens, perhaps hundreds of displaced, furloughed pilots with Lear types coming back into the charter ranks, making the few Lear jobs available to me the part time, old equipment, low pay variety. Not a good return on investment.

Strictly speaking about PFT, I agree with Bobby's position. A type is good anywhere that the type of aircraft is flown. True PFT means paying money for a job, with that money paid to a specific employer in consideration for that job.

Not everyone can avoid paying for a type, such as apirants to Southwest, but you should avoid it if you can.

Especially if you have no time in the aircraft.

 

[pa56pa]

And for PA56... The difference between PFT and SWA is that in PFT the company requires you to pay for training that THEY provide... SWA requires a Type Rating as a prerequisite to getting hired, SWA doesn't make you pay them for the type.

Uhmmm... LOL

Noooooo..... sounds like you're talking logistics... but they're both still a prerequisite to getting hired, and a form of PFT

In PFT, the company requires you to pay for training that FlightSafety or Simuflite provides (SIC checkout or type rating), in Casper's case, $15K.

At SWA, it is a prerequisite just like a typical trashy charter company, but you still have to pay for it somehow prior to being accepted, $8K.

So what is the difference?? Is your point the fact that the charter company pockets a profit from PFT?

 

[banned username 2]

True PFT means paying money for a job, with that money paid to a specific employer for employer specific training in consideration for that job. Typically PFT is based on Regional Airlines.

At SWA you don't need a type to perform the job (you are hired as an F/O, NOT as a Captain. In the US, only the Captain needs to be type rated)...

At a PFT outfit you are paying for training which is required to fulfil the job catagory you are hired for...

SWA uses the Type as a criteria for eliminating potential candidates.

 

[Stearmandriver]

Uhmmm... LOL

Noooooo..... sounds like you're talking logistics... but they're both still a prerequisite to getting hired, and a form of PFT

In PFT, the company requires you to pay for training that FlightSafety or Simuflite provides (SIC checkout or type rating), in Casper's case, $15K.

At SWA, it is a prerequisite just like a typical trashy charter company, but you still have to pay for it somehow prior to being accepted, $8K.

So what is the difference?? Is your point the fact that the charter company pockets a profit from PFT?

PA56, FalconCapt. is right. Do you know how many furloughed USAir guys (who know darn well they're never going back) have taken their 737 type over to SWA? Did these guys "pay for training?" Nope, not one bit. They never paid for their 737 types, and SWA paid for their SWA training in full. Compare this with a guy I know who was hired at Coex around a year before me (when new-hires still had to PFT): he was coming from a freight company and already HAD a type in the E120, yet when he was hired into the 120 at CoEx he had to plunk down ten grand for CoEx training on an aircraft he was ALREADY TYPED IN. (And yes I'd agree that this was dumb, I'm just using it as an example of REAL PFT.)

But unfortunately there are far too many people out there who just don't get why PFT is such a dumb thing; the booming business that places like Commutair, Mesa academy, TabExpress etc. do is proof enough of this. I'm not real familiar with how common it is on the corporate side of things as the only corporate jobs I'm applying for are the types of places that wouldn't require PFT. And God but that sounded elitist; let me qualify it by saying that I have a pretty good job now, flying good equipment and accruing good time, and so I can afford to be picky. I've got alot of friends who can't, and believe me I sympathize. However, even my out-of-work friends have turned down PFT jobs. I've got nothing but admiration for that.

Joe

 

[pa56pa]

Of course, on that angle, you do have a point there... there's no denying that still many people DO pay for their own 737 type to get in SWA....

Confusion is in the type of training... I believe Casper was talking about having to pay for a Citation TYPE... but whether it is an initial, an SIC checkout, or a type... an applicant still has to pay (was my point).. to get the job, in his case, a charter job. It's still a form of PFT. But, I do understand Falcons and your point of view as far as PFT is concerned, i.e. CO-ex, and other commuters who charge for training.

Question: If an experienced pilot that had an Airbus or a B757 type transferred over to SWA, he would still need the 737 type, right? (Correct me if I'm wrong...)

PA

 

[banned username 2]

Question: If an experienced pilot that had an Airbus or a B757 type transferred over to SWA, he would still need the 737 type, right? (Correct me if I'm wrong...)

Yes, because a B-737 Type Rating is a prerequisite to getting hired at SWA... However, SWA will pay for ALL of his REQUIRED training to perform his job at SWA as well as pay him a salary while he attends training... In addition to the B-737 Type Rating, I beleive SWA may also require a 4 year college degree as a prerequisite to getting hired...

 

[pilotyip]

where is Bobby

Bobby has the legal definition of PFT; he should render a decision soon to cover the inconsistencies.

 

[banned username 2]

Re: where is Bobby

Bobby has the legal definition of PFT; he should render a decision soon to cover the inconsistencies.

Bobby is probably out studying to get another one of those "useless" college degrees...

(Sorry, couldn't resist...)

Geez... My 2,000th post ends up being in a PFT thread discussing the validity of a pilot having a 4 year degree! My stars must be aligned tonight!