Perfect response to the media + Senators

[banned username 2]

Hmmm... go figure.

Thanks, Falcon Capt., for that information. It sheds a little light.

http://members.aol.com/BobKutchko/UnionPride/page79.html

Go down to the second section, it will look REMARKABLY familiar (i.e. Identical....) It has been around for MANY years.. even this page says "Something from our forum back in those days that maybe you could adapt"

 

[browntail]

TXCAP4228 I did defend myself in my post! Until you make it to the big show you have no idea what the airline life is like until you live it. From your profile, you have not had the necessary experience to comment on the airline lifestyle. This also applies to fly chicaga according to his profile. When I was at your guys experience level I thought I knew about the airline life, boy was I wrong. If you ever get there, you will see what I'm talking about.

I have been in the business lifestyle previously. I have been a supervisor for two different companies and have received several leadership awards for my past work experience. So that comment is completely invalid.

The customer comment that you made means absolutely nothing to me. This board was never intended for airline customers. This board is for pilots to discuss their work situations and to help those wishing to become airline pilots. If you want one of those customer boards try united.com!

 

[browntail]

Falcon Capt (another non-airline employee that thinks he knows what it is like) I never said that I wrote those words. I posted those from my union board and fixed some of the errors in it. You "wanna be's" are worth a laugh though!!!

 

[banned username 2]

Falcon Capt (another non-airline employee that thinks he knows what it is like) I never said that I wrote those words. I posted those from my union board and fixed some of the errors in it. You "wanna be's" are worth a laugh though!!!

I never said anything about being an airline guy or knowing what it is like... merely pointing out some details and discrepancies....

I could never be good enough to be like you anyhow... since you are a legend in your own mind... Pretty big ego you have there thinking everyone wants to be like you... Mr. Airline Pilot. Mr. "Top Gun"... hahahah... nice email... ever been in the Navy? as an Aviator? Talk about a wannabe...

 

[TXCAP4228]

How compelling. Let's analyze a little.

TXCAP4228 I did defend myself in my post!

I must have missed that. All I saw was the crack pipe comment.

Until you make it to the big show you have no idea what the airline life is like until you live it. From your profile, you have not had the necessary experience to comment on the airline lifestyle.

Big show? I guess this means that Falson Capt knows squat. I am glad to have that clarified for me. This was incredibly persuasive on your part. More to come here...

When I was at your guys experience level I thought I knew about the airline life, boy was I wrong. If you ever get there, you will see what I'm talking about.

I am not discussing the airline lifestyle, I am discussing the comparisons you make to other forms of employment. Chicaga made some pretty good responses to you and you told him he was smoking crack. I have said on this board previously and I will repeat it: Airline pilots have a very insular view of their world. The world does NOT revolve around you, as much as your palagrized post that started this thread tries to indicate, and your circumstances are not even remotely unique.

I repsect professional pilots and the sacrifices and dedication that it takes to get to where you are, but I do not view your industry like you do because I have not lost touch with reality.

I have been in the business lifestyle previously. I have been a supervisor for two different companies and have received several leadership awards for my past work experience. So that comment is completely invalid.

Au contraire! Lets look at your words from a previous post:

If you have not worked for a regional for several years or a major (as a pilot), then you have nothing to compare this to. This situation does not apply to 135 or corporate or part 91's who have not even made into the show!!!

1) If this is true, then it is also true that if you have not had mainstream job experience (non airline) in the last several years then YOU have nothing to compare it to. I'll bet there are more laid off people from Fortune 500 companies than all furloughed airline pilots put together.
2) You are impugning and marginalizing the jobs and experience of part 135 and 91 pilots. Jeez. I will let someone else go after you for that.

The customer comment that you made means absolutely nothing to me. This board was never intended for airline customers. This board is for pilots to discuss their work situations and to help those wishing to become airline pilots. If you want one of those customer boards try united.com!

My point is not that customers may read this board, my point is that your attitude demonstrates the level of disdain you have for what you actually do. Regular people who are not a pilot god like you trust you with their lives. If you let this attitude show, you will alienate them and your airline will go the way of United.

You wonder why people have a low opinion of airline pilots? Look in the mirror.

This is not a way to get good PR. The fact that you don't see that is the source of your problem.

 

[dsee8driver]

Different prespective..

Just passing on an email I received from a friend last night... Rather fitting for this thread..

"So you want to be an airline pilot?" the interviewer inquired.

"Yes, sir, more than anything else I have ever wanted," I replied, realizing I sounded like an anxious adolescent.

"Well, great, welcome aboard," the airline executive said.

"You mean I'm hired?!" I cheered.

"You bet, we're glad to have you. Actually, we've had trouble finding good pilots to hire," the exec explained. If I was surprised, it was overshadowed by my joy of reaching my
dream.

"Let's just go over a few points before you sign on the dotted line," the company man chortled. "We're going to send you to the world's most renowned medical center. They'll spend two days
probing you body orifices, draining and analyzing your blood, and administering psychological exams. They'll literally take you apart and put you back together. If they find any hint of current or
future problems, you're fired and can find your own ride home."

"Gee, I think my health is O. K.," I nervously choked out.

The manager went on, "Good, next we'll evaluate your flying skills in an aircraft you've never been in before.

"If we don't like the way you perform, you're fired,"

I was confident with my flying, but this guy was making me nervous. He continued, "Next, if you're still here, we'll run you through our training program. If during any time in
the next 10 years you decide to leave the company, you'll have to reimburse us $20,000, or we'll sue you. Also if you fail
to measure up during training, you're fired."

The man who had just given me my dream job listed still more hurdles. "Each time, before we allow you near one of our multimillion dollar aircraft we'll X-ray your flight bag and
luggage, because we don't trust you. Also we'll ask you to pass through a magnetometer each time. If you fail to do so,
you'll be arrested and jailed."

"When you've completed your flight, we'll have you provide a urine sample, because we don't trust you to not take drugs. Very soon, we plan to take a blood sample to look for more drugs.

"Also if you ever fly with another crew member who may have used drugs or alcohol, you must report to us immediately. If you fail to notice that anyone has used these substances, you'll be fired, have your license to fly revoked, and be fined $10,000."

"Every six months, we want you to go back to the medical center for another exam. If they ever find a hint of a problem, your license to fly will be revoked and we'll fire you.
Anytime you see a medical person, you must tell us about it so we can see if you need to be grounded and terminated. Also,
we need to examine your driving record, and you must tell us if you have even any minor infractions so we can remove you from the cockpit as soon as possible."

"At any time, without notice, a special branch of the government will send one of its inspectors to ride in your aircraft. The inspector will demand to see your papers and license,
If your papers are not in order, you'll be removed, fined, terminated, and possibly jailed." "If at any time you make an error in judgment or an honest human mistake, you
will be terminated, be fined tens of thousands of dollars, and be dragged through months of court proceedings. The
government will make sure you never fly again for any airline."

Smiling an evil smile now, the airline hirer went on. "Oh, and one last thing to cover. Occasionally, we in management fail to see a trend and screw up royally or the country's economy falls flat on its face. If as a result of one of those events the corporation begins to lose money, you as an employee will be expected to make up the losses from your paycheck."


"Now sign here," he pointed, grinning as he handed me a pen.

I faked a sudden nosebleed. Holding my head back and pinching my nostrils, I hurried from his office. When I got to the hall, I began to run. I ran all the way to my car. I figured if I hurried I could still get to the county vocational school before 5:00 and enroll in the industrial welding career program. See you,
Steve Mayer
DC-10 F/O
Austin, TX

 

[AAflyer]

Falcon Capt,

You do not seem very airline friendly, from past posts.Maybe I am reading into it. Since you are a moderator you are held to higher level. Regardless of what you think about Browntail I ask that you bite your tongue, or step down from that position. Mu understanding is you are supposed to be nuetral.

Cordially,

AAflyer

 

[AAflyer]

TXCAP4228

You should go read what you wrote. You sound like an arrogant a$$ now.

AAflyer

 

[TXCAP4228]

AAFlyer, I didn't start this thread by posting something that claims I have a higher status than any other job. I am calling Browntail out because he did, and then said some pretty insulting things about Flychicaga and about non airline pilots in general.

I have also made specific responses (sometimes sentence by sentence) rather than resort to name calling. I am pretty confident that I have staked out the high ground.

Sticks and stones...

 

[TXCAP4228]

AAFlyer,

I went back and reread what I wrote. Yes, it was harsh. But I'll stand by it and I'll certainly defend my position if you want to point out something specific.

I will say that no offense is or was intended.