Pennekamp vs. ASACoalition

[FightingIrish]

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Here's a great speech from Lynn Jackson:

http://www.alzheimer.ca/english/have...-02-lynnj1.htm
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The above post was from John Pennekamp, a spokesperson for the status quo at ASA. He not only attacked LJ and the coalition, but he mocked Alzheimers victims. He has no shame.

Here is the ASACoalition email. You decide who you want to represent you and your future.... the Pennekamps or the ASA Coalition!​

Fellow pilots,​

We would like to update the pilot group on our campaign to elect a team of 4 to the ASA MEC. We have received many comments and questions and would like to answer some of your questions. If you have any questions or comments, please email them to [email protected] .
1. Why are we electing 4 representatives in ATL?
With the closing of the SLC domicile, the ASA MEC was reorganized into a single LEC with 2 Captain representatives and 2 F/O representatives. Currently there are only 2 representatives on the ASA MEC and neither of these 2 representatives are on the ballot.
2. Is this a vote to replace the current negotiating committee or the MEC Chairman?
No. This election will decide who makes up the next ASA MEC. Neither of the two current MEC members are on the ballot. Should the ASA Coalition win, everyone currently involved in negotiations will be invited to continue in the process.
3. How do we vote?
You can either vote by computer or by phone. Attached to this message are the directions on how to vote. Voting closes Dec. 11.

Again, our commitment to you is a contract to vote on within 90 days of taking office. This contract will include job security focusing on preventing further erosion of flying, hourly pay rate increases, trip and duty rigs, per diem increase, improvements to sick leave, improvements to the 401k, scheduling /QOL improvements, commuter clause, long call/short call reserve, and a signing bonus. If we do not achieve this, or if the contract is not ratified by the pilot group, then we will tender our resignations if the majority of pilots wish us to.
In addition, we will be adding a strategic planning element to the contract negotiations to deal with job security. The primary focus of this team will be to stop the erosion of flying and to attempt to reverse it. Without adequate job security, the rest of the contract will become irrelevant over time.
By adding fresh faces and creative new ideas, we believe we can bring these contract negotiations to a conclusion that benefits the pilot group. Your vote is very important, and we thank you for your support.
The ASA Coalition
Captain Lynn Jackson
Captain Barry Lee
First Officer Bryan Bowie
First Officer Graham Welsh
[email protected]

Voting Instructions​

Using the Internet
Logon to https://www.ballotpoint.com/alpa
Enter your seven-digit ALPA member number (no dashes) and your password.
Please note: Security is in place that requires you to re-enter your password during the voting process.
Click on View Ballots.
Select the applicable ballot.
Follow the screen instructions to cast your vote.
You may recast your vote at any time during the voting period.
Using the Telephone
Call 1-888-647-1787.
You will be prompted to enter your seven-digit ALPA member number and password. You will need to hit the # key after entering your ALPA Member Number and again after entering your password.
Select the applicable ballot.
Follow the voice prompts to cast your vote.
You may recast your vote at any time during the voting period.
If you are in need of assistance, please contact the Membership Services Department Monday-Friday, 8:30-5:30 ET, e-mail [email protected], or call toll-free (888) FLY-ALPA; when prompted, please press '1' followed by the appropriate extension for your airline analyst.

 

[FmrFreightDog]

I voted.

For Danny Utley, Nick Tomlin, Seth Heckard, and Mike Schnorr. I feel they will give us a strong MEC, and I feel a strong MEC represents us best.

My $0.02. I'm tired of arguing about it. I won't vote for the coalition simply because I refuse to trust anyone who has been negotiating with management outside of established channels and without the consent of the MEC chairman. Call me a stickler for the process if you will. I don't like back-alley deals.

 

[FightingIrish]

I voted.

For Danny Utley, Nick Tomlin, Seth Heckard, and Mike Schnorr. I feel they will give us a strong MEC, and I feel a strong MEC represents us best.

My $0.02. I'm tired of arguing about it. I won't vote for the coalition simply because I refuse to trust anyone who has been negotiating with management outside of established channels and without the consent of the MEC chairman. Call me a stickler for the process if you will. I don't like back-alley deals.

Do you have proof that they have been negotiating with management, or are you listening to people like Pennekamp who stoop so low as to make fun of people with Alzheimers?

Call me a stickler for dignity and respect and intelligence, but I see none of it coming from the current leadership!

I have supported this MEC up until now, but I think that has been a mistake. What is the other side promissing?

 

[FmrFreightDog]

Do you have proof that they have been negotiating with management, or are you listening to people like Pennekamp who stoop so low as to make fun of people with Alzheimers?

Call me a stickler for dignity and respect and intelligence, but I see none of it coming from the current leadership!

I have supported this MEC up until now, but I think that has been a mistake. What is the other side promissing?

I just made another post referencing the alzheimers thing. I have a family history with it, and I find the reference offensive. However, it came from one guy who has a little bit of Google search know-how.... not from the current ALPA leadership.

Proof? No, I have no proof. Just like you have no proof that the current leadership is out to screw you. I do, however, have my gut, which has served me well. I know that Utley, Tomlin, Heckard, and Schnorr are a known entity, and I know they reflect my feelings on the current contract negotiations. The Fab 4???? What exactly is the plan? I have yet to see any specifics.

You know, the Germans opted for blind change without specifics after Versailles. It didn't work out too well for them either.

 

[IFLYASA]

I have heard alot of bad things about Lynn from the oldtimers, even before the coalition came about. She can be pretty sneaky and behind the back. I would never trust her. I voted, and it was not for the coalition.

 

[FightingIrish]

I have heard alot of bad things about Lynn from the oldtimers, even before the coalition came about. She can be pretty sneaky and behind the back. I would never trust her. I voted, and it was not for the coalition.

Specifics? Some of us "oldtimers" think she has done some good things here. What is "sneaky and behind the back"? The opposition is attacking her using an Alzheimers victim - is that the people you want to trust?

 

[scott hall]

i think you have a ... what was i saying?

 

[VeeOne]

I know that there is alot of conjecture and controversy regarding the history of Lynn Jackson. However, this entire vote boils down to one simple philosophy. If you believe that taking the hard line on a 10% increase is worth striking over- vote Utley and crew. If you feel happy with duty rigs, cola, and the general improvement of QOL issues, vote for the ASA Coalition.

In many instances the point isn't what WAS done, but what do you do now. I believe this to be one of them. After talking with representatives from the CNC, I decided the coalition was the way to go. I'm not in favor of taking a hard line for rates that would put our 70 seat jet only a few bucks below Jet Blues 90 seat rates. I was also told to go to Skywest if I had concerns........yup, I never felt better about where my 2% was going. No F/O at this company should have to go to Skywest as a resolution for the concerns brought forth to the MEC/CNC- and being told to do so is 100% unacceptable when they work for you.

On a side note- I was told that the CNC was willing to come off the 10.25% increase, but it was only in percentage of 1%, say perhaps a 10.23% raise on 70 seat rates.

 

[Bizjet]

I know that there is alot of conjecture and controversy regarding the history of Lynn Jackson. However, this entire vote boils down to one simple philosophy. If you believe that taking the hard line on a 10% increase is worth striking over- vote Utley and crew. If you feel happy with duty rigs, cola, and the general improvement of QOL issues, vote for the ASA Coalition.

In many instances the point isn't what WAS done, but what do you do now. I believe this to be one of them. After talking with representatives from the CNC, I decided the coalition was the way to go. I'm not in favor of taking a hard line for rates that would put our 70 seat jet only a few bucks below Jet Blues 90 seat rates. I was also told to go to Skywest if I had concerns........yup, I never felt better about where my 2% was going. No F/O at this company should have to go to Skywest as a resolution for the concerns brought forth to the MEC/CNC- and being told to do so is 100% unacceptable when they work for you.

On a side note- I was told that the CNC was willing to come off the 10.25% increase, but it was only in percentage of 1%, say perhaps a 10.23% raise on 70 seat rates.

You can't possibly be so naive as to think that we should be countering our own proposals. The 10% you refer to is so there is room for give and take during the end game. You don't understand the simple art of negotiations or you would not continue to post such dirvel. Our CNC has kept these negotiations alive when the company was refusing to negotiate in good faith.

For example. Each CNC was given a sack of negotiationing chips. We have been using ours to keep the process alive and the company has steadfastly hoarded their chips. We are down to only a few chips so it is now the company who is going to have to use theirs to keep this process moving. Until the NMB puts pressure on the company they are very content to continue to refuse to negotiate in bad faith. JA is just as bad as our former Delta owners about delaying these negotiations. He can't afford to give ASA a contract that he can actually afford because of the organizing drive ALPA is currently pushing for on his property. If he does his pilots will see the value of the union and very likely vote for organizing under ALPA. The company is being mismanaged, however, Jerry Atkin is calling the shots not our hand puppet management.

Just because the process has lasted four years does not mean it is time to throw in the towel. Many of the pilots calling for a contract NOW are doing so for self serving reasons. They are ready to get that PC time and be qualified to move to a major when the hiring resumes. They don't care about a quality contract they only care about leaving as soon as possible. If our management knows they can out last us this will set a precedent and encourage management to drag the process out until we cave.

If you have been following these negotiations you will already know that what the Fab 4 are promising has largely already been secured by our CNC. If you don't know this then you are responsible for your own discontent. The Fab 4 have not given any specifics as to how they will bring this negotiation to closure. With Lynn Jackson involved I fear the Fab 4 will give away what the majority have said they want in this contract. It is your right to vote for any pilot you want even those that are not on the ballot. But it appears that you are not very well versed on the issues or the process. If someone on the CNC told you to go to SkyWest it is likely because that may be your best choice if you want a quick upgrade. However, the whipsaw between ASA and SkyWest will continue and the pendulum will eventually swing in the other direction.

You may not have the intestinal fortitude for negotiations. If you are going to be in this industry for very long you better get accustomed to how long this process can last. It took Comair 4 years to get their contract in 2001. Due to the RLA and managements desire to break the unions this is becoming the norm. Ask yourself--Do I have the moxie to be in this industry? It appears you do not!

 

[FmrFreightDog]

I know that there is alot of conjecture and controversy regarding the history of Lynn Jackson. However, this entire vote boils down to one simple philosophy. If you believe that taking the hard line on a 10% increase is worth striking over- vote Utley and crew. If you feel happy with duty rigs, cola, and the general improvement of QOL issues, vote for the ASA Coalition.

In many instances the point isn't what WAS done, but what do you do now. I believe this to be one of them. After talking with representatives from the CNC, I decided the coalition was the way to go. I'm not in favor of taking a hard line for rates that would put our 70 seat jet only a few bucks below Jet Blues 90 seat rates. I was also told to go to Skywest if I had concerns........yup, I never felt better about where my 2% was going. No F/O at this company should have to go to Skywest as a resolution for the concerns brought forth to the MEC/CNC- and being told to do so is 100% unacceptable when they work for you.

On a side note- I was told that the CNC was willing to come off the 10.25% increase, but it was only in percentage of 1%, say perhaps a 10.23% raise on 70 seat rates.

Obviously you haven't been here long enough if you think Lynn's history with ALPA and management is "conjecture".

I love your, "cut the pay so I can get my upgrade" mentality. Clearly, the coalition is for you.

Guess what, junior. The days of 1000 PIC and out still aren't back. You may well be at ASA far longer than you had hoped. Be careful how you make that bed.... you may well be the one who has to sleep in it for 30 years.

Then again, what do I know? I'm just one of those old guys who "couldn't go anywhere else". My experience with the process means absolutely nothing to a Generation Y guy like yourself........

"Me me me.. Right now... That's the way it's works on the Nintendo!" may have served you well up until this point. Guess what, junior, you're an adult now. Act like one. Goddang "me" generation. Y'all are an absolute joy to fly a 4 day with! You know, I used to be a pretty cool Captain. 25 year old entitlement happy whiners like you turned me into an ***********************************. Congrats! Come fly with me for a few days.

ps. Not happy? Go to Skywest. I'm sure they'll be happy to have you. In the meantime, stop trying to hijack my quality of life and that of my family. I say this because I know what it costs to support a family. Hence, I know what I am worth. When you are a bit older you will understand. Until then, do not pretend to lecture me about what you think we should work for.