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Watch-List Passenger ID'd as Cat Stevens
Tuesday, September 21, 2004

WASHINGTON — A plane bound for Washington from London was diverted to Maine on Tuesday after passenger Yusuf Islam -- formerly known as pop singer Cat Stevens (search) -- showed up on a U.S. watch list, federal officials said.

United Airlines Flight 919 had already taken off from London en route to Dulles International Airport (search) when the match was made between the passenger and the watch list, said Nico Melendez, a spokesman for the Transportation Security Administration.

The plane was met by federal agents at Maine's Bangor International Airport (search) around 3 p.m., Melendez said.

Federal officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, identified the individual as Islam.

One official said Islam, 56, was identified by the Advanced Passenger Information System, which requires airlines to send passenger information to U.S. Customs and Border Protection's National Targeting Center. TSA was then contacted and requested that the plane land at the nearest airport, the official said.

"He was interviewed and denied admission to the United States on national security grounds," said Homeland Security spokesman Dennis Murphy. He said the man would be put on the first available flight out of the country Wednesday.

Islam, who was born Stephen Georgiou, took Cat Stevens as a stage name and had a string of hits in the 1960s and '70s, including "Wild World" and "Morning Has Broken." Last year he released two songs, including a re-recording of his '70s hit "Peace Train," to express his opposition to the U.S.-led war in Iraq.

He abandoned his music career in the late 1970s and changed his name after being persuaded by orthodox Muslim teachers that his lifestyle was forbidden by Islamic law. He later became a teacher and an advocate for his religion, founding a Muslim school in London in 1983.

Islam recently condemned the school seizure by militants in Beslan, Russia, earlier this month that left more than 300 dead, nearly half of them children.

In a statement on his Web site, he wrote, "Crimes against innocent bystanders taken hostage in any circumstance have no foundation whatsoever in the life of Islam and the model example of Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him."
 
So let me get this right,...if you are against the war in iraq and a muslim, then the plane makes an emergency landing at the nearest suitable airport and the guy is sent back to europe?

Wasnt Ted Kennedy on the same watch list until someone found the mistake? Its a good think that he wasnt flying from europe to DC,...oh wait, he was. But its a good thing that he wasnt against the war,..oh wait, he was. Just another example of why we shouldnt judge people based on religion and the color of their skin.

I dont know the whole story but if cat stevens made anti american slurs and pro-violent inuendos, then i support the fact that he should be forced out and i humbilly apologize.
 
Sir Humpalot said:
So let me get this right,...if you are against the war in iraq and a muslim, then the plane makes an emergency landing at the nearest suitable airport and the guy is sent back to europe?

Wasnt Ted Kennedy on the same watch list until someone found the mistake? Its a good think that he wasnt flying from europe to DC,...oh wait, he was. But its a good thing that he wasnt against the war,..oh wait, he was. Just another example of why we shouldnt judge people based on religion and the color of their skin.

I dont know the whole story but if cat stevens made anti american slurs and pro-violent inuendos, then i support the fact that he should be forced out and i humbilly apologize.
Your right in saying that you don't know the whole story- You have to remember that the media puts a slant to everything. They probably didn't divert the flight solely based on the above reasons.
 
Sir Humpalot said:
So let me get this right,...if you are against the war in iraq and a muslim, then the plane makes an emergency landing at the nearest suitable airport and the guy is sent back to europe?

Wasnt Ted Kennedy on the same watch list until someone found the mistake? Its a good think that he wasnt flying from europe to DC,...oh wait, he was. But its a good thing that he wasnt against the war,..oh wait, he was. Just another example of why we shouldnt judge people based on religion and the color of their skin.

I dont know the whole story but if cat stevens made anti american slurs and pro-violent inuendos, then i support the fact that he should be forced out and i humbilly apologize.
Do you know this man (Cat Stevens)? Can you vouge for everything he has done outside the this country? Do you know for a fact that this man is not a danger to my family and yours? Well if your not 100% sure, I would rather the govt. error on my side.

PS The Ted Kennedy thing had me laughing for days. It was error the govt. made there funny. Maybe your right about Ted. We should have deported him. (just kidding)
 
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This guy got sent back to Europe right? How'd he get there?

I mean, diverted a United Airlines flight because we thought he was a threat, we didn't let him in the country because apparently we still thought he was a threat....so what...did we just put a threat on another UAL flight to Europe? Or, did we maybe pawn him off on British... Maybe a boat?

I'm just wondering because it'd be pretty odd to make an airplane land, not let someone into the country because he was an assumed threat, and then put him back on an airplane bound for a allied country....now, I guess if we sent him on Air France.....j/k;)
 
The color of his skin? I believe that he is white! And as for being Muslim, there are many Muslim's flying in the United States. How many have diverted aircraft? The fact is, is that the name turned up on a watch list, he was identified on that aircraft (a little late), and the A/C was diverted.
 
Does anybody know if TSA is involved with oversea security screening? This flight started in London.
 
Could be bogus, but...

I heard on the local radio station that the reason behind him being on the watch list is due to his money contributions to certain muslim groups who in turn have ties to anti-american muslim groups. Like I said, just heard it on the radio but nothing official.
 
You are right that there are many muslims flying in the US for US airlines. I non-rev many times and i have to make sure that i get to the gate early cuz i am on that same list. My name pops up every single time and its to an annoying point. They have to call the supervisor and for him/ her to clear it. I am not saying that we should not be protected but its ironic that Ted Kennedy can make some phone calls and get his name removed and i have been trying for over a year writing to my congressman and rep to have my name removed. I served and fought in the US military and yet i cant get on a plane without going through that hassle.

PS, i will be the first person to fly ted kennedy to europe and leave his assss there.
 
I'll help ya fly him there, plus a few others!!
 
That's cute.

A famous person who happens to be Islamic condemns Bush's war of aggression in Iraq, and despite repeatedly calling for peaceful practice of Islam, finds himself on a US Government "no fly list". Sounds like political retaliation to me.

Remember when Bush said "You're with us or against us"? Apparently criticizing him or the government is now illegal. Once again Dictator Bush and deputy Ashcroft stomp on the Constitution.
 
Troy,

I am pretty sure that the British are aware of the american no fly list. The UK has problems there as well and i am sure that they have there own list. The TSA has no provisions outside the US.

I will put Alec Baldwin and Dan Rather on that plane also.
 
While we're at it, let's get a 747 and go to town filling it up with people that don't like being here anyway.


Let's start with their idiot leader, Michael Moore.
 
ifly4food said:
That's cute.

A famous person who happens to be Islamic condemns Bush's war of aggression in Iraq, and despite repeatedly calling for peaceful practice of Islam, finds himself on a US Government "no fly list". Sounds like political retaliation to me.

Remember when Bush said "You're with us or against us"? Apparently criticizing him or the government is now illegal. Once again Dictator Bush and deputy Ashcroft stomp on the Constitution.
I think you are coming to some pretty sharp conclusions based on very little information. "Apparently criticizing him or the government is now illegal."
And you draw this conclusion based on what information? Based on the previous conclusion you came up with, lacking the evidence to support it?
 
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[font=verdana, arial, helvetica] Best of the Web Today - September 22, 2004[/font]

  • [font=verdana, arial, helvetica]By JAMES TARANTO[/font]



    [font=verdana, arial, helvetica]Terror Advocate Stopped at Airport
    A man who goes by the name Yusuf Islam, though he was born Stephen Georgiou and for a time went by the alias Cat Stevens, was prevented from entering the U.S. yesterday, the Associated Press reports. When Islam's name turned up on a government "watch list," his London-to-Washington flight was diverted to Bangor, Maine, where he was interviewed and given the boot on "national security grounds," according to the Homeland Security Department. The AP adds:
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    [font=verdana, arial, helvetica] [/font][font=verdana, arial, helvetica]Officials had no details about why the peace activist might be considered a risk to the United States. Islam had visited New York in May to promote a DVD of his 1976 MajiKat tour.[/font]

    [font=verdana, arial, helvetica]Now it may be that barring Yusuf Islam from the U.S. is an overreaction. But consider these facts about the man the AP dubs a "peace activist":[/font]
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      [*]As the AP's own report notes, "Islam drew some negative attention in the 1980s when he supported the Ayatollah Khomeini's death sentence against Salman Rushdie, author of The Satanic Verses."
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<li>Rolling Stone reported last year that Islam was denied entry into Israel because, according to the Jerusalem government, he donated tens of thousands of dollars to the terror group Hamas. In 2000, when Israel similarly denied him entry, he issued a statement: "At present I am supporting orphans in Hebron and all my donations in the past were given to humanitarian causes. I want to make sure that people are aware that I've never knowingly supported any terrorist groups--past, present or future." He did not specifically deny having funded Hamas, which according to Reuters among others is not a terrorist group. (Hat tip: Little Green Footballs.)

An AP update from today reports that "U.S. authorities think donations from Islam may have ended up helping to fund blind sheik Omar Abdel-Rahman, who was convicted for the 1993 World Trade Center bombing," as well as Hamas.
[/font] [font=verdana, arial, helvetica]That second AP dispatch continues referring to Islam as a "peace activist" in this risible line: "The government official, who spoke only on condition of anonymity, said Islam was placed on a watch list after multiple intelligence sources in recent weeks indicated the peace activist may have associations with potential terrorists." (The Council on American Islamic Relations, for its part, calls Islam a "moderate and mainstream" Muslim.)[/font]

[font=verdana, arial, helvetica]Along similar lines, consider this Dan Rather quote from last week's New York Observer: "Part of what reporters are supposed to do is ask questions, dig for facts and, when truths are found, share them with the public and, when called upon to do so, speak truth to power. This we did." [/font]

[font=verdana, arial, helvetica]Sounds a lot like John Kerry preening Monday about his antiwar activities: "After serving in war, I returned home to offer my own personal voice of dissent. I did so because I believed strongly that we owed it those risking their lives to speak truth to power."[/font]

[font=verdana, arial, helvetica]Terror advocates are "peace activists," and telling secondhand lies is "speaking truth to power." It's just another day in the fake but accurate world of American liberalism.[/font]

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Just because a man supported the death of an author does not mean he should be barred from the US. I support the death of rapist, killers, and molesters; but does that mean i too should be barred from the US. If someone wrote a book calling Jesus many names and calling him a rapist, many of the die hard christians would want that same author dead. It has happened before and i can research the books by the authors but its double standards.

If Cats supports a free palestine and the liberation of the oppressed in palestine, does that mean that he should be banned from the US based on his political views? More and more people are losing their rights in this country. It ironic that we can ban someone without giving that person a trial. We can automatically assume guilt without jurisprudence. I am a pretty conservative republican but i know when a person's right has been stepped on and i think that we are heading into dangerous territory.

Whats that saying?...give me liberty or give me death.
 
Sir Humpalot said:
If Cats supports a free palestine and the liberation of the oppressed in palestine, does that mean that he should be banned from the US based on his political views? More and more people are losing their rights in this country. It ironic that we can ban someone without giving that person a trial. We can automatically assume guilt without jurisprudence.
Is "Cats" a US citizen (I really don't know)? If not, then he has no "right" to enter this country. Therefore, he has lost no "rights". The PRIVELEGE of a non-citizen to enter a sovereign country is given (or withheld) by the government of that country.
 
I am kind of confused by your statement. So if you are not a US citizen, then you have no right entering this country. I can give you a million citizens who enter this country who dont like the US and come here for tourism reasons or business. To think that only people who have one view can enter this country is ethnocentrism at its finest. Plus, i know many people who live in this country who hate the current administration and are pro-palestine.

Its ironic that Cat Stevens donated a large sum of money to the families of 9-11 for the terrorist attacks and yet when he gave less money to the families of palestinians, he was donating to a group linked to Hamas. Cat Stevens and many muslims hate terrorism; they speak against the school in russia; they speak against 911; they speak against the oppression of palestinians and yet only the fanatics on tv make it on the news and the good muslims have to suffer. Look at the facts, its really scary what the american government is doing to us. When we gave money (if you did) to the Red Cross after 9-11, how can you be certain that the money went to the family. Much of the donations never made it to the families and should you be worried?
 
Sir Humpalot said:
I am kind of confused by your statement. So if you are not a US citizen, then you have no right entering this country. I can give you a million citizens who enter this country who dont like the US and come here for tourism reasons or business. To think that only people who have one view can enter this country is ethnocentrism at its finest. Plus, i know many people who live in this country who hate the current administration and are pro-palestine.

Its ironic that Cat Stevens donated a large sum of money to the families of 9-11 for the terrorist attacks and yet when he gave less money to the families of palestinians, he was donating to a group linked to Hamas. Cat Stevens and many muslims hate terrorism; they speak against the school in russia; they speak against 911; they speak against the oppression of palestinians and yet only the fanatics on tv make it on the news and the good muslims have to suffer. Look at the facts, its really scary what the american government is doing to us. When we gave money (if you did) to the Red Cross after 9-11, how can you be certain that the money went to the family. Much of the donations never made it to the families and should you be worried?
I'm not sure what (if anything) your rant has to do with my posting. So, I'll try to make it real simple so that even you won't be confused: Please provide me with a reference in the US Constitution or any federal law that says any non-US citizen has a "RIGHT" to enter this country. If you can't, please name a country that provides such a "RIGHT" to non-citizens.
 
I'm surprised that we have so many experts on the activities and views of YStephen Georgiou aka Cat Stevens aka usuf Islam, right here on this board! We pilots are a bright bunch, aren't we?!

My hat's off to Sir Humpalot for this:
Sir Humpalot said:
I am kind of confused by your statement. So if you are not a US citizen, then you have no right entering this country.

Don't be confused, Sir, that's right! Non-US citizens have no right to enter our country. It is a privilege to enter this country, and we, oddly enough, control that privilege. If entering this country were a right, there would be no such thing as an illegal alien. Just think, if a certain 19 Muslims had been denied the privilege of entering our country, where might we be today?
 
I think what was meant is that if you are not a U.S. citizen you don't have a "right" to enter this country, it's a priveledge. I have traveled all over the world and other countries are the same. I once deadheaded to Turkey to work a DOD flight and my work visa was expired. Turkey wouldn't let me into the country until the company or myself paid the money for the work visa, so it happens elsewhere. Countries just don't let anyone or everyone into their countries, thus visas and passports. I am not saying it was right to deny Cat into the country, but it is the right of any country to deny access.
 
TonyC,

I understand what you are trying to say but those 19 people came into this country legally. Everyone should be given the same opportunity to come to this country regardless of your race or religion, and that is what Cat Stevens was denied. Majority of the people come into this country looking for opportunities that are not afforded in their own country, they are looking for a better life, but i dont think that you or I have a right to deny someone entry without giving them due process. Thats all i am saying. Reread my posts. This wasnt the first time Cat Stevens came to america, he used to live here remember. I am sure that even your family was given the same opportunity to come here that you are denying to others, unless you are native american.

And GFVALVO, this might come as a surprise to you but not everyone has the same viewpoint but you can argue your side without condemning the other party. Thats why many of these postings turn into rants cuz people can not make a point without personal insults. Lastly, just because you make a post does not give you control over what people want to express.

"Please provide me with a reference in the US Constitution or any federal law that says any non-US citizen has a "RIGHT" to enter this country."

I will do that as soon as you can tell me that where in the constitution that people must agree with everything that a government does and their right should be denied if they have an opposing viewpoint. Furthermore, its okay if your ancestry comes into this country but its not okay if others come here. The reason why people come into this country is to get freedom that are denied in their own countries.

Just food for thought.
 
troy said:
Does anybody know if TSA is involved with oversea security screening? This flight started in London.
Thankfully no they aren't...at least not directly...

atrdriver
 
Sir Humpalot said:
TonyC,

I will do that as soon as you can tell me that where in the constitution that people must agree with everything that a government does and their right should be denied if they have an opposing viewpoint. Furthermore, its okay if your ancestry comes into this country but its not okay if others come here. The reason why people come into this country is to get freedom that are denied in their own countries.
Got news for you Hump...Lots of people were turned away during the big days of immigration...That's one of the things that Ellis Island was used for, to sort through who was arriving and make sure that we wanted them. We turned away countless people for all sorts of reasons, from body livestock to criminal backgrounds. It is NOT A RIGHT for a non US citizen to enter the United States, no more than you have a right to enter England. You are given that priviledge, and it can be revoked at any time, for any reason.

atrdriver
 
Sir Humpalot said:
I will do that as soon as you can tell me that where in the constitution that people must agree with everything that a government does and their right should be denied if they have an opposing viewpoint.

OK, I'll try one more time. Then we'll just have to agree to disagree.

I never claimed that people must agree with all actions of their government. You, however, keep referring to the right of a non-citizen to enter this country. As TonyC and I stated, that right simply does not exist. Again, if it does, please provide the constitutional reference. To my knowledge, no country provides such a right. It is a privilege controlled by our government. If you don't like the way it's being controlled, go and vote for people who you think will do it more to your liking. That's the process. By the way, voting is another right that is reserved for citizens.



 
Lets just agree to disagree and you are right, its not a right to enter this country but if a person is denied, then that person must be given due process to the reasons he was denied. You dont make up false allegations without having facts and that is what happened to Cat STevens. I am all for denying people if they want to blow me up and my family, but have a consistent law where people should be judged fairly and equally.
 

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