PDT to resume Flow Through discussions

[WSurf]

What happened to DC Air? How about what happened to Potomic Air? Boy that was a cluster F......

 

[LearLove]

speaking of DC air, does anyone have the pic of the perposed DC Air paint? The MD-80 with the girl that looked like Shanana from living color with the big booty on the tail - it was circulating around the old board in 2000/2001.

 

[NuGuy]

This place is stagnant as hell.

Has been, and always will be, probably. Flew there 5 years and was still 10-20 numbers from upgrade (another 8-10 months at PDT) when I left. There was a spurt in 99-01, I think, where upgrade got down around ONLY 3 years.

Some of the OCFs talk about 1 year upgrades and yadda yadda, but that was back in the Henson days, around 85-86 or so.

You will never see anything other than a trickle at PDT because A) Too many lifers hanging on (leftovers from the nice contracts) and B) Zero to negative growth. Attrition is the only movement, and thats all at the bottom end.

Unless you live in base and just need to mark the days for something better or you like swinging gear on the -8, PDT is not for you. If you need/want PIC time, best to look elsewhere.

Nu

 

[NuGuy]

speaking of DC air, does anyone have the pic of the perposed DC Air paint? The MD-80 with the girl that looked like Shanana from living color with the big booty on the tail - it was circulating around the old board in 2000/2001.

I remember that. Hehe it was hysterical....

Nu

 

[JohnnyP]

Jon,
No, no teak on the Parkers. Maybe some along the gunwale on much earlier models...Not to worry, you'll have your hands full scrubbing dried chum off the deck.

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Good luck, you cant afford me.

So when are you coming out for a visit? It can be done.

 

[EDUC8-or]

I heard from one of the carpenters building the Subway in the "F" in PHL that PDT and PSA are each losing an airframe so management in Tempe can use them for the Red Bull Flugtag next Spring.

 

[trainer8]

Trainer8,
First the Piedmont guys wouldn't honor
the flow back, then they get America
West's MEC to dispute your position
on LCC's list, and you hope they get
a flow? You are a magnanimous guy.

Perhaps, but that was before reading the AWA Negotiating Committee Briefs, which are now posted on the AAA ALPA web site. And PDT/PSA pilots, they are referring to any pilot flow through in their statements

Regional Pilots, the AWA Pilot's elected leaders believe that that you are not qualified to be a Major Airline pilot. In their brief they suggest that pilots who became US Airways Seniority List Pilots by US Airways and by declaration of the AAA MEC are of lesser qualification and therefore should not be on the seniority list. The inference is that those specific pilot's qualifications would not get them in the door for a "normal" interview.

"CEL pilots were hired by the wholly-owned commuter carriers that feed into the US Airways system. Major carriers typically require significantly greater flight experience than regional carriers. The CEL pilots that the East Committee wishes to place on the US Airways seniority list were not hired by US Airways (other than through their claim to MDA positions), and there is no evidence that they would have been qualified for pilot positions at US Airways."In the Matter of the Seniority Integration of THE PILOTS OF AMERICA WEST AIRLINES and THE PILOTS OF US AIRWAYS--AWA Brief, page 8. bold face my emphasis.

Of course, that is bull excrement as many pilots from the regional ranks are hired by major airlines, including AWA. While the charge refers to regional pilots that flowed up to MDA from PDT/ALG, it also implies that regional pilots are of a lesser caliber then others. F. Lee Baily, then counsel for the Allied Pilots Association, made a similar comment during the Eagle Flow through procedings in the 1990's. The APA issued an apology for his comment.

I will have "specific" words for the next AWA pilot who requests the jumpseat.

T8

 

[Gofish]

That is depressing.

 

[Sig]

"CEL pilots were hired by the wholly-owned commuter carriers that feed into the US Airways system. Major carriers typically require significantly greater flight experience than regional carriers. "

There's a gigantic flaw there. They suggest that someone who was hired yesterday by a WO at WO mins is within minutes of occupying a mainline seat. Those whose seniority could get the MDA seat DID have significantly greater experience than the day they were hired at the WO. Everyone who flowed up was certainly qualified to be in whichever seat they held.

I suppose by this line of reasoning, the AWA captain I used to work for shammed his way into the airline through a phenomenal interview- even though the biggest plane he'd flown up to then was a J-Ball. Since regional experience isn't considered, just the experience BEFORE a pilot was hired at a regional, it's all in the face to face... and regional part 121 work is irrelevant.

HAH! Sorry Westie lads, but the AAA MEC are scum- they're going to get one of two things: Pad the list with CEL guys to preempt a slotted integration, or get DOH.

 

[FR8mastr]

Sig,

I have a question for you, please answer with your real opinion as I am really curious as to your thinking.

How is AAA padding the list with CEL guys?

The reason I ask is, all the EX CEL pilots that flew the 170 all worked for Airways starting since July of 04. At that time they were given AAA seniority numbers, AAA ALPA card, and have since all been placed on the APL just after they were given a furlough from US AIRWAYS. Many have exercised their J4J rights as APL pilots at other carriers. These guys were all on property flying Airways 170's for up to 9 months prior to any merger announcement.

So again I ask, how can an EX CEL pilot be added to a list to "pad" the seniority for a merger almost a year prior to the date the merger was announced?