PDT to resume Flow Through discussions

[trainer8]

For you PDT guys...just to let you know the other side of propoganda the CD is feeding you....

The PDT Airlines ALPA MEC code-a-phone of November 7 is reporting that the PDT LEC members along with AWA ALPA and AAA ALPA will be meeting in December for "round table discussions" involving Flow Through (FT).

I contacted a member of the AAA NC and was told that he hadn't heard anything about these FT discussions - and the AAA MEC said the same. The PDT/PSA MECs were invited to attend the meeting, but NOT to discuss flow through. It was just simply a courtesy invite and CD put his spin on it. Why the disinformation? Ask CD. The PDT MEC was called and informed that there will be no discussions about flow through unless the MEC sees some effort on their part PSA/PDT to make a movement.

T8

 

[Terrain Terrain]

traner8, I see you understand how the PDT mec works. They cant get anything done, and then they LIE strait to the PDT pilots faces, and say crap like "oh yea that flow through is just about rapped up here!!". Its just so gay, I really think they post crap like that to try to slow the mass exit of FOs. They nailed me!, I stayed on at PDT for probably 8 months longer than I should of because of the rampid LIES shooting out of the mouths of the MEC over there. If the PDT MEC wanted to do their job, they would have a party everytime a FO got over 1500 hours, and help them fill out apps to other airlines. Really FOs at PDT, the grass is greener elsewhere! Take it from anyone that left, I know it sucks starting over again, but you are waisting you time/lives if you are staying there and have the time to leave.

No im not bitter towards PDT at all!

 

[JohnnyP]

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Really FOs at PDT, the grass is greener elsewhere! Take it from anyone that left, I know it sucks starting over again, but you are waisting you time/lives if you are staying there and have the time to leave.

So, is that flow-through about done with?? I know ive been happy ever since I left PDT, but I could never tell someone to leave Piedmont. Everyone has a different situation to deal with. Bottom line you just never know whats going to happen in the future.

I was in Manchester, U.K this past week. Saw one of those feeder carriers (FlyBe ?) with a dash-400 taxiing out. Couldnt help but think how nice that would be in PDT colors, what a slick machine (the foreign cabin gals are usually better on the eyes as well). This morning flew on a Ukranian DC-9, operated by a Russian crew, for an Afghan airline. And still even after all that mess, the cabin girls were still better than the best the U.S has to offer. What can I say.

 

[NuGuy]

Lol, I saw that title and thought I was back in 1993.

Nu

 

[80for80]

I know there are some pilots at PDT that have been there for many, many years. When this flow through goes ahead, they will be able to bid widebody captain with all their years of service.

 

[WSurf]

For you PDT guys...just to let you know the other side of propoganda the CD is feeding you....

The PDT Airlines ALPA MEC code-a-phone of November 7 is reporting that the PDT LEC members along with AWA ALPA and AAA ALPA will be meeting in December for "round table discussions" involving Flow Through (FT).

I contacted a member of the AAA NC and was told that he hadn't heard anything about these FT discussions - and the AAA MEC said the same. The PDT/PSA MECs were invited to attend the meeting, but NOT to discuss flow through. It was just simply a courtesy invite and CD put his spin on it. Why the disinformation? Ask CD. The PDT MEC was called and informed that there will be no discussions about flow through unless the MEC sees some effort on their part PSA/PDT to make a movement.

T8

Jeez Trainer!! You sure are worried about our possible FlowThru!!! We all know that you don't want any PDT people flowing up to mainline!!
How about just letting it go, most of us have!

 

[FirstMate]

Take it from anyone that left, I know it sucks starting over again, but you are waisting you time/lives if you are staying there and have the time to leave.

I personally don't think I'm "wasting my life" at Piedmont. I see it as a job that pays my bills and I'm living where I want to live...not to mention I haven't seen a hotel room in over 2 months. If the flow thru happens, great. If the doors are locked tomorrow, great. Big deal. I'll find another job. I guess its different strokes for different folks though. Everyone has their own priorities.

 

[LowlyPropCapt]

For you PDT guys...just to let you know the other side of propoganda the CD is feeding you....

The PDT Airlines ALPA MEC code-a-phone of November 7 is reporting that the PDT LEC members along with AWA ALPA and AAA ALPA will be meeting in December for "round table discussions" involving Flow Through (FT).

I contacted a member of the AAA NC and was told that he hadn't heard anything about these FT discussions - and the AAA MEC said the same. The PDT/PSA MECs were invited to attend the meeting, but NOT to discuss flow through. It was just simply a courtesy invite and CD put his spin on it. Why the disinformation? Ask CD. The PDT MEC was called and informed that there will be no discussions about flow through unless the MEC sees some effort on their part PSA/PDT to make a movement.

T8

Source? And no, "AAA MEC and AAA NC members" isn't good enough. Without names and dates, your comments amount to nothing more than idle praddle.

The bottom line is that none of us knows what in the heck is really going on behind the scenes. In a right world, these inter-union discussions would be handled with the utmost transparency so that the members could make informed decisions about thier professional lives.

Every pilot who has been in the seat long enough to get through his operating experience knows that's not how it works in airline land. Union officials often make comments to serve thier own selfish interests and to please whichever constituant they happen to be addressing at the time.

Most of the animosity regarding the flow through discussions are the result of the questionable status of a relatively small number of CEL folks who accepted jobs at MDA. This small number doesn't mean a hill of beans to anyone in the long run. I challenge you to find even a sizable minority of CEL pilots who give two-thirds of a purple s&!t that those people would be senior to them at mainline. As for your average mainline pilot (I crash with several), even the best informed are only nebulously aware a conflict even exists. Moutains out of mole hills, I say. To the AAA MEC, this issue is barely on the radar I am sure. They have much bigger fish to fry. Bringing this issue to a swift resolution is in the best interest of everyone involved.

Do not take my comments as condoning the actions of the PDT MEC. At the very best, the level of communication with the membership has been deplorable. The fact that we rely on rumor from FI for news on the progress of negotiations is symptomatic of a severe lack of leadership. I am wholly displeased, no matter what the truth of the matter is.

 

[trainer8]

Source? And no, "AAA MEC and AAA NC members" isn't good enough. Without names and dates, your comments amount to nothing more than idle praddle.

That's fine. I communicate with them via e-mail and cell; and I know some personally. It is inappropriate to mention their full names here but, DC, DM and JS will have to suffice. Not good enough for you? Too bad.

Communication and involvement are key to union work. Apparently, CD isn't being totally honest with you. For sure, the minority you speak of are communicating over here.

Most of the animosity regarding the flow through discussions are the result of the questionable status of a relatively small number of CEL folks who accepted jobs at MDA. This small number doesn't mean a hill of beans to anyone in the long run.

Apparently the "bean hill" is mountainous enough for the AWA NC to submit papers to the arbitor to have those "relatively small number of CEL pilots" removed from the US Airways Seniority List. Something has struck a nerve.

T8

 

[trainer8]

Jeez Trainer!! You sure are worried about our possible FlowThru!!! We all know that you don't want any PDT people flowing up to mainline!!
How about just letting it go, most of us have!

Actually, you are mistaken. I fully support the Flow-Through of CEL pilots to US Airways. I think they should have the first shot at any hiring at AAA.

What I object to is the effort being made to remove recognized US Airways Pilots (who were at the Embraer Division) from the US Airways Pilot Seniority List. I also object to the requirement of APL pilots at PSA on probation their first year at PSA under J4J provisions. As JS told CD, remove those obstacles, and FT talks will begin in earnest.

T8

 

[trip]

FirstMate has the right attitude! I like it.

 

[svcta]

Good buddy of mine at PSA said that TK told recent ground school class: No growth for 2 years and 80 CEL guys from PDT waiting for left seats at PSA. With around 70 (ish) J4J guys still on the property. Bad things. I'm sorry for all my ex-PSA brothas. Short version: No changes for a long time.

 

[JohnnyP]

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I personally don't think I'm "wasting my life" at Piedmont. I see it as a job that pays my bills and I'm living where I want to live...not to mention I haven't seen a hotel room in over 2 months. If the flow thru happens, great. If the doors are locked tomorrow, great. Big deal. I'll find another job. I guess its different strokes for different folks though. Everyone has their own priorities.

FirstMate, no one appreciates your flip attitude toward everything.

So how are things going? Gotten that new center-console yet? I think its time to bury yourself in boat debt, do it.

 

[91100 100 set]

Where's LearLove stand in all this? Just kidding ya, give me a call. I've got news.

 

[FirstMate]

Oh Johnny, haven't received any updates from you lately...?

Its happenin alright...I could use a good chimp like yourself to stain the teak on my new rig...

 

[BeCareful!]

Y'all do realize there are still over 1600 guys to be recalled before a flow-up starts, right?

 

[trainer8]

Y'all do realize there are still over 1600 guys to be recalled before a flow-up starts, right?

You are assuming all 1600 will accept recall? I'll be surprised if half take it, especially with the 190 pay scales.

T8

 

[olympus593]

I thought that most of thoses guys were dying dinosaurs that retired???

 

[Whataburger]

For you PDT guys...just to let you know the other side of propoganda the CD is feeding you....

The PDT Airlines ALPA MEC code-a-phone of November 7 is reporting that the PDT LEC members along with AWA ALPA and AAA ALPA will be meeting in December for "round table discussions" involving Flow Through (FT).

I contacted a member of the AAA NC and was told that he hadn't heard anything about these FT discussions - and the AAA MEC said the same. The PDT/PSA MECs were invited to attend the meeting, but NOT to discuss flow through. It was just simply a courtesy invite and CD put his spin on it. Why the disinformation? Ask CD. The PDT MEC was called and informed that there will be no discussions about flow through unless the MEC sees some effort on their part PSA/PDT to make a movement.

T8

Sure you did not pull-up a code-a-phone from 1997? Did B.P. tell you this? Watch for your RJ Christmas ornament or cheese wheel in the mail for the holidays.

 

[JohnnyP]

Oh Johnny, haven't received any updates from you lately...?

Its happenin alright...I could use a good chimp like yourself to stain the teak on my new rig...

I didnt know that Parker started putting teak on the new center consoles. But im game for a job, just let me know.

Ill start sending more updates. My internet has been down because my house caught on fire last night because of the shoddy electrical wiring here. Im just glad the hair is still attached to my head. My guards wanted to throw buckets of water on the circuit board that was engulfed in flames. Go figure.

Ill eventually be coming back to the states for a vacation, youll have to call in sick so you can come down to atl to visit.

So when are the 400's coming?

 

[Dash8301]

Y'all do realize there are still over 1600 guys to be recalled before a flow-up starts, right?

Yeah but there are 2000+ retirements in the next 5 years

 

[jvrac]

Guys, I think we need to concentrate on the much more important issue of getting Biscoff cookies once this Delta merger goes through! :beer:

 

[Gofish]

Agreed...and bring back peanuts!

 

[Sig]

Sure you did not pull-up a code-a-phone from 1997? Did B.P. tell you this? Watch for your RJ Christmas ornament or cheese wheel in the mail for the holidays.

I just lost three neurons laughing at that, which is sad; I only had two left.

That was absolutely hilarious.

 

[ponder]

Trainer8,
First the Piedmont guys wouldn't honor
the flow back, then they get America
West's MEC to dispute your position
on LCC's list, and you hope they get
a flow? You are a magnanimous guy.

 

[Sig]

First the Piedmont guys wouldn't honor
the flow back

Followed it to the letter- we just didn't allow an FO to jump to a 170, then back down above someone with 20 years more seniority.

Unless I missed something, which I might have- could you explain the flow back protocols as outlined specifically in the flow back agreement?

 

[Terrain Terrain]

I always thought it was funny how some pdt/alg guys flew for mda, then started talking about Usairs mainline MEC like it was theirs, no really these guys actually thought they were mainline pilots. Like J4J, actually walked into PSA stole their jobs, and acted like they were mainline pilots because they were on the 170 for 6 months, btw the 17o its a total piece of crap.

 

[328dude]

I wouldn't bet on any type of flowthrough with mainline for PSA or PDT. The AAA MEC Chairman made this point perfectly clear back in August when he didn't get what he wanted which was out of our control anyways and dealt with the company.

Such a baby.

 

[FirstMate]

Jon,
No, no teak on the Parkers. Maybe some along the gunwale on much earlier models...Not to worry, you'll have your hands full scrubbing dried chum off the deck.

Anyways,

The Q400 rumor died down again. It tends to come and go. It'll prob surface again after Christmas sometime. I think we had around 20 F/O's quit last month. I guess that is par for course though. I never realized it was that extreme. What sucks is that they are all junior. Some aren't even staying for one year. This place is stagnant as hell.

 

[dashboy]

Wow this sounds like my first year at ALG in 99. Don't count on anything I'm still wating for that RJ captain slot from the merger with ACA, ooops. By the way what ever happened to DC Air.