PDT Merge committee rumor?

[Mav204]

A friend at PDT hear a rumor that the PDT merger committee has come to an agreement that the MDA guys are going to have a flow back to PDT...but the PDT guys them get to flow into mainline?
What's the word on the street?

 

[WSurf]

Whats the word on the street?

That you don't proof read before you submit!

 

[NCFlyer]

That you don't proof read before you submit!

Now that's funny!

 

[WSurf]

Don't know whats going on MAV! The E-190's are coming (To replace 737's and 319's) to mainline in Nov. and if they don't raise the retirment age to 65 then you will see some movement thru the mainline ranks.
I could only bet that our MEC is on both knees (with lip gloss in hand) pulling on the mainlines zipper to retain a flow thru.
Even if there was a flow thru to mainline I am sure the terms would change. Maybe like a 20 year Capt. at PDT flows up to a E190 at first year pay. I wonder how bad they would want that now. Hmmm from 100k down to 35-40k!! However all the junior people would love it.
Now about the old PDT/ALG folks that went to mainline, well that is such a touchy subject I think I will leave it alone. But I have heard that they are now full blown APL pilots, and that kinda twist the panties of the senior PDT guys. And I heard they will get J4J rights at PSA, but I don't want to touch that one either.....

FUBAR!!!!

 

[PropPiedmont]

A friend at PDT hear a rumor that the PDT merger committee has come to an agreement that the MDA guys are going to have a flow back to PDT...but the PDT guys them get to flow into mainline?
What's the word on the street?

I would love to respond but, I have no idea what the question is.

 

[flyguy8]

When I/we left PDT/ALG to go to MDA, it was under the “ass/u/mption” that if anything happened to MDA we would be able to flow down to PDT and hold the seat that our CEL number dictated. Nothing more, nothing less. I talked to both Dilks and Farrow the day before I left and BOTH assured me that I would have the right to FLOW back to PDT. The only problem is, nobody ever intended for MDA to go away and therefore nobody ever intended for the PDT/ALG to want to come back. I can assure you that not one of us ever expected super seniority when we came back.

So that takes us to the current situation that we are in now. With the announcement of the growth of US Airways with the 190’s and the projected retirements of mainline pilots, Dilks wants to get his hands in the cookie jar. I feel he lost his right the day one of our PDT/MDA pilots collected their first unemployment check.

 

[WSurf]

A friend at PDT hear a rumor that the PDT merger committee has come to an agreement that the MDA guys are going to have a flow back to PDT...but the PDT guys them get to flow into mainline?

What's the word on the street?

Principal: Mr. Mav, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

Messin with ya Mav!!!!

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[sniper]

It is all Mesa's fault, isn't?

 

[Sig]

So that takes us to the current situation that we are in now.

I feel he lost his right the day one of our PDT/MDA pilots collected their first unemployment check.

No, it doesn't.

You aren't entitled to a bump-back, which is what it sounds like. Why? Becuase you'd have your squatter flapping in the breeze when a senior guy to you moves from PDT and leapfrogs you upwards in a bump UP.

WHOA! WAIT! No, that can't happen, right?

You want to flow back? Fine alrighty. Dead man's boots- you show me a bidirectional FLOW, and the seats (as they open up) become available to you. That's the problem. No upgrades in the near future (which are the seats you'd be entitled to), and none in the recent past that you missed.

You ain't coming back down here to bump junior guys. Delay upgrade for us? That's one thing, and I'd personally welcome it. Put ME on the street because you took a risk? Nope.

 

[PoorJetDriver]

At PSA we had a letter posted from our VP of Flight Ops. that stated if we left PSA we were gone for good. No you might be able to come back, you're done.

 

[PropPiedmont]

No, it doesn't.

You aren't entitled to a bump-back, which is what it sounds like. Why? Becuase you'd have your squatter flapping in the breeze when a senior guy to you moves from PDT and leapfrogs you upwards in a bump UP.

WHOA! WAIT! No, that can't happen, right?

You want to flow back? Fine alrighty. Dead man's boots- you show me a bidirectional FLOW, and the seats (as they open up) become available to you. That's the problem. No upgrades in the near future (which are the seats you'd be entitled to), and none in the recent past that you missed.

You ain't coming back down here to bump junior guys. Delay upgrade for us? That's one thing, and I'd personally welcome it. Put ME on the street because you took a risk? Nope.

I'll agree with most of what you are saying. It sounds like you are in a similar seniority position as myself.

However, this may finally set a flow through precedent. Lets say we get a US Air number and the time finally comes to flow into US Air. What seniority do you want to take with you? Original wholly owned DOH or flow up date?

Now, lets say you've been sitting right seat on a 190 for a year at US Air and something financially bad happens again to the company. You are forced out of US Air due to furloughs and have to flow back into PDT. When you left you were a mid-level to bottom captain. How would you want to be reintegrated back into PDT? Original DOH at PDT with all accrued seniority, or go back to your relative seniority when you left, or be put at the bottom with new hires?

What do you think you should deserve in this situation? What would be fair to you in this situation?

Just food for thought.......

 

[Sig]

I'd probably expect to take longevity, pay and seat at the time I left, but bid as a newhire.

Crunk. I don't know.

**dang effin' boobtube**

But seriously- It's as compicated as could possibly get. One thing that should stick around is a one pass rule- you either take the position in either direction when offered, or stay where you are forever and always... But how do you do that? Can you theoretically float in and out of the companies? Is that fair?

Round down for relative seniority as a %age when you left. CEL, not APL... but how the heck do you do that? You're not an affected pilot?? You have superseniority??

Zero displacement, both from active status and base. How about a lineholder being sharted down to a reserve? Whoa.

I WANT them to come back, but it has to make sense. I don't know if that's possible in legalese.

Who the he!! wants anyone in this situation to beat feet out of a job?

 

[skydork]

one list

One list per tail color would fix it. Imagine the fighting over that!

 

[Crzipilot]

One list per tail color would fix it. Imagine the fighting over that!

Well it's actually almost done with the CEL list. Put on bottom of the US list. Put some protection for those guys that have been at PSA/PDT long enough that they don't want to leave etc.....provide maybe a 2-1 or some ratio for longevity for the guys coming over, (though for all the f/o's I think it's a pay raise anyways, at least new ones, or have them step over 1st yr pay to 2nd, etc etc, which was better than the j4j deal where we started at 1st yr pay, and 1 yr probation......but was to a left seat (though some started off on the right seat..)