PDT MEC mis-information

[trainer8]

The PDT MEC code-a-phone message for Sept 7 states that LCC sent out recalls to the US Airways Seniority List pilots on the APL to fill E190 positions in upcoming Initial classes, stating that LCC management "...did not receive the expected response" from the APL and "may" go to the CEL for those positions. This is publicly reported by PDT ALPA after the bid award was made known to the US Airways pilots on the APL who bid these positions! Also, an August phone message said the off the street hiring at LCC was "imminent."

There are over 1,700 US Airways Seniority List pilots on the APL. LCC filled the most recent E190 positions from within the first 130 pilots on the APL. The prior recall in April was filled within the first 150 pilots on the APL. Total pilots recalled...80. And 55 went to positions other than the E190. Every time they float a bid, it starts at the top of the APL and goes down until the positions are filled.

The information disseminated to the APL from the J4J coordinator was that it would take up to 2 or more years to recall the entire APL - at current conditions. Where the PDT MEC is getting its information from should be questioned, as the facts bear out that what they are telling their pilots is pure speculation on their part, incorrect and misleading.

T8

 

[WSurf]

Why you worried about it? So what! If they can't fill FO spots with all the APL guys for the 190's then they should take CEL folks! Jeez, Most the J4J guys are captains on the RJ's and 190 FO is a pay cut for them.
Do you worry about this stuff that much?

 

[B190Captain]

Let em pass it up. I'll take a E190 slot any day of the week. They can stay at PSA for all I care. WSurf, where is that site that we can select our preference? Or it it gone? I need to update it.

 

[sync8]

http://usairways-express.com/

Fill it out..I printed mine out for proof of a flowthrough(besides our contract) straight to Mainline(as shown by the options)..before the site vanishes in the middle of the night!

 

[DoinTime]

The PDT MEC code-a-phone message for Sept 7 states that LCC sent out recalls to the US Airways Seniority List pilots on the APL to fill E190 positions in upcoming Initial classes, stating that LCC management "...did not receive the expected response" from the APL and "may" go to the CEL for those positions. This is publicly reported by PDT ALPA after the bid award was made known to the US Airways pilots on the APL who bid these positions! Also, an August phone message said the off the street hiring at LCC was "imminent."

There are over 1,700 US Airways Seniority List pilots on the APL. LCC filled the most recent E190 positions from within the first 130 pilots on the APL. The prior recall in April was filled within the first 150 pilots on the APL. Total pilots recalled...80. And 55 went to positions other than the E190. Every time they float a bid, it starts at the top of the APL and goes down until the positions are filled.

The information disseminated to the APL from the J4J coordinator was that it would take up to 2 or more years to recall the entire APL - at current conditions. Where the PDT MEC is getting its information from should be questioned, as the facts bear out that what they are telling their pilots is pure speculation on their part, incorrect and misleading.

T8

So your condeming the PDT MEC for reporting speculation as fact and you back up your allegations with speculation of your own? Your a peice of work.

 

[trainer8]

Why you worried about it?

Because it is false information...misinformation...a lie.

So what! If they can't fill FO spots with all the APL guys for the 190's then they should take CEL folks!

Thats the point, Surf. They are filled. The sky is not falling. The code-a-phone is phoney.

If they're lying to you about this, what else???

T8

 

[ALGFLYR]

I just listened to the code-a-phone and would have to agree it is BS. The pilot slots in this last recall of 15 APL pilots were filled in less than 130 numbers. That still leaves about 1500 pilots out there that did not even get an offer to accept a recall. And somehow, they are close to running out of APL pilots to fill future classes? Not even close. And how does the PDT MEC know US Airways did not get the anticipated response?? My view is that they are trying hard to cover for their mistakes in the past and want the flow-thru real bad. They seem to be doing everything they can to get a true flow-thru back in place. Good luck...

 

[Gofish]

I just entered my number and it responds: Unknown employee ID#. Anybody know how I can fix this?

 

[trainer8]

So your condeming the PDT MEC for reporting speculation as fact and you back up your allegations with speculation of your own? Your a peice of work.

I am saying the PDT MEC is disseminating false information, not factual information. Hiring off the street at US Airways is not "imminent." The past two recalls didn't even get past 150 pilots out of more than 1700 on the APL.

I'm not "speculating." My information is accurate, and I have backed it up. If you don't think so, you have the freedom to refute the information or you can do as you have done and call me derrogatory names.

The PDT MEC speaks for its pilot group. AAA ALPA is listening, and so are their negotiating committee members, which handle Flow Through negotiations. False information does not help the cause.

T8

 

[NCFlyer]

Here's exactly what the PDT code-a-phone says:

"Please go to usairways-express.com to up-date your bid preference on the CEL. Recall notices have been sent to some furloughed US Airways pilots to fill the upcoming E-190 class dates. However they have not received the expected response. Airways may go to the CEL to fill those slots. Please be sure that your current desires are reflected."

Is it misinformation? I guess it depends on your point of view.

What was the expected response? I don't know, do you. 1 out of every 8.6 pilots is pretty low I would think.

According to ALGFLYR LCC had to go through 130 names to get 15 pilots willing to return. At that ratio they will only get 175 pilots to return out of the 1500 on furlough.

 

[trainer8]

I just entered my number and it responds: Unknown employee ID#. Anybody know how I can fix this?

Contact SSO IT department and have them verify your PDT or PSA employee number and password. 1-717-948-5400.

T8

 

[Gofish]

Thanks trainer8!

 

[trainer8]

Here's exactly what the PDT code-a-phone says:

"Please go to usairways-express.com to up-date your bid preference on the CEL. Recall notices have been sent to some furloughed US Airways pilots to fill the upcoming E-190 class dates. However they have not received the expected response. Airways may go to the CEL to fill those slots. Please be sure that your current desires are reflected."

Is it misinformation? I guess it depends on your point of view.

What was the expected response? I don't know, do you. 1 out of every 8.6 pilots is pretty low I would think.

According to ALGFLYR LCC had to go through 130 names to get 15 pilots willing to return. At that ratio they will only get 175 pilots to return out of the 1500 on furlough.

What you fail to report is that those 15 pilots are in the top 130 on the APL. 1988 DOHs! Its not just 15 out of 1500...its 15 out of 130 that filled all the openings. If the 15 came after 1300 APL passed, for example, that would be also significant and would lend credance to the PDT phone message. That is not the case. In addition, the message was broadcast after the award!

T8

Think about it

 

[lear24]

It may be an optimistic statement, but I wouldn't call it misinformation.

I do agree, it's going to take a lot longer to get through the APL than most of the optimists here think.

This whole thing is like a bunch of guys arguing over their seat in the dining room of the Titanic.

 

[trainer8]

Seems Calvin (not my avatar) had alterior motives in going to PHX other than to address the AWA MEC meeting....

EVP nomination for Baker perhaps...a little quid pro quo?

 

[PropPiedmont]

Seems Calvin (not my avatar) had alterior motives in going to PHX other than to address the AWA MEC meeting....

EVP nomination for Baker perhaps...a little quid pro quo?

The AWA MEC with J.R. has been the only way to keep us in the loop. If J.R. completely disappears, then so will any relationship we have formed with the AWA group. We need J.R. to still be involved with the AWA MEC in some way. AAA won't even talk to us.

 

[DoinTime]

I am saying the PDT MEC is disseminating false information, not factual information. Hiring off the street at US Airways is not "imminent." The past two recalls didn't even get past 150 pilots out of more than 1700 on the APL.

I would think that the dynamics of the recall would be impossible to forcast at this point. One thing that is pretty reasonable though is that they are going to have a hard time staffing the right seat of that 190 with the regional FO payscales that are agreed to. Right now the recalls are going to left seat (or soon to be left seat) pilots where the pay is worth leaving whatever else these guys may have going.

Besides, whats the definition of "imminent" anyway? By my planning its anything within a year from now. By airline planning standards its probably more like two years away.

 

[Carl S.]

The recalls are going to the "RIGHT" seat at the ghetto wages we agreed to. The "LEFT" seat went to a 1986 or so DOH. No slots for AWA at this time, but enjoy LOA 93 for awhile!

 

[ALGFLYR]

I would think that the dynamics of the recall would be impossible to forcast at this point. One thing that is pretty reasonable though is that they are going to have a hard time staffing the right seat of that 190 with the regional FO payscales that are agreed to. Right now the recalls are going to left seat (or soon to be left seat) pilots where the pay is worth leaving whatever else these guys may have going.

The dynamics of the recalls are definitely hard to predict. None of the recalled pilots went to the left seat of the 190. Why or when people will come back is a wild guessing game. This last recall of 15 pilots has a few perfect examples. Three of the recalled pilots that took the FO position in the 190 actually were offered and TURNED DOWN the previous recall into the Airbus. WOW. They turned down recall into a larger and higher paying aircraft and now take the 190. Thought that was a little strange.

The next recall should be effective in Jan. '07. That recall is speculated to also have recalls into other equipment. That will definitely change things up a bit. Although hard to predict, I would guess the 190 FO will start to go more junior when other aircraft are available. Also, there will be furloughees going to the West side at the first of the year as they fill the vacant FO slots created by the last West bid. Overall, I think movement will start to speed up for everyone, but I still think it's a little premature to forcast them going to the street for the 190 FO's. It will happen in time, no doubt, but it's certainly not imminent...

 

[ALGFLYR]

The recalls are going to the "RIGHT" seat at the ghetto wages we agreed to. The "LEFT" seat went to a 1986 or so DOH. No slots for AWA at this time, but enjoy LOA 93 for awhile!

You are correct on the DOH for the junior CA position on the 190.

Is the best you can come up with on your every post "enjoy LOA 93"? I find it funny that's the best you can do.

BTW, the West FO positions will be filled with our furloughees. I'm assuming you have been there 8 years according to your info at the left. That means most coming over will have more longevity than you have. They will be junior to you on the list (at least for now), but they will be on a higher pay scale. You enjoy that for a while...

 

[ALGFLYR]

The AWA MEC with J.R. has been the only way to keep us in the loop. If J.R. completely disappears, then so will any relationship we have formed with the AWA group. We need J.R. to still be involved with the AWA MEC in some way. AAA won't even talk to us.

It's my understanding that JR has completely disappeared. He is no longer the MEC Chairman. And I believe he was using PDT to try and get to the EVP position. I heard that PDT was removed from his group, so they cannot get him to the EVP position anymore. Someone bet on the wrong horse...

 

[Sig]

Someone bet on the wrong horse...

... it's just not worth it.

 

[trainer8]

...One thing that is pretty reasonable though is that they are going to have a hard time staffing the right seat of that 190 with the regional FO payscales that are agreed to. Right now the recalls are going to left seat (or soon to be left seat) pilots where the pay is worth leaving whatever else these guys may have going.

*bangs head on desk*

This is what is amazing about all of this. LCC floats a bid for recall. The top of the APL responds filling the E190 positions...FO positions...low pay positions, seat lock positions, from the top seniority pilots on the APL. Then we see a post like is quoted above, which is incorrect about what seats were filled, and what the recall was for, and the so-called difficulty in staffing. (!)

*sigh*

Besides, whats the definition of "imminent" anyway? By my planning its anything within a year from now. By airline planning standards its probably more like two years away.

But PDT MEC's planning, given the context of their phone message, indicates what the word means, imminent, like very, very soon!

T8

 

[38tango]

Let em pass it up. I'll take a E190 slot any day of the week. They can stay at PSA for all I care. WSurf, where is that site that we can select our preference? Or it it gone? I need to update it.

fockin right...where the hell is my super trooper dvd ya goofy bitch?!

 

[WSurf]

www.usairways-express.com

Its still works, as I have updated my stuff.

 

[BeCareful!]

Gosh, if I had a nickle for every time ALPA has misinformed me or misled me I'd have, like, several dollars.

I can think of a number of reasons that recalls are going to go far more senior than the wishful thinkers project. I know a senior US Air furloughee who is old, has another source of income, and really just wants to get out of the house. He hasn't been flying since furlough. There are probably many more like him, so everyone should just relax and if LCC ever calls you with an offer, make a decision then.

As for a regional ALPA unit misleading pilots or being misinformed themselves, is that really a newsflash?!?

 

[trainer8]

The 9/14 PDT phone message states that the AAA MEC, (acutually the NC) as a precondition to hearing any new proposals, will not entertain any proposals by the PWOs FT Committees until the probationary period imposed on J4J pilots at PSA is removed.

T8

 

[BeCareful!]

That's the stupidest thing......it affects, what, 8 people?

ALPA sure knows how to pick its fights!

 

[mu2]

Why can't I get into www.usairways-express.com ? Am I not eligible? I wrote to ALPA and the "having trouble signing in" email on the page. I have tried for two weeks. Is anyone else having trouble?

 

[NCFlyer]

The www.usairways-express.com has nothing to do with ALPA. It is/was a company site that allowed pilots to see any MDA openings and to enter their preferences for the original MDA bid. I didn't have any trouble signing in.

According to the web site it hasn't be updated since 08/02/2004. If you were hired recently, and that may have been in the last 1-2 years the site may not have been updated to allow new employees in.