pay for a captain at a regional

[cheezpilot]

Might want to do some homework on the Piedmont thing unless you are talking about turbo-prop FO pay exclusively.

 

[ATRCA]

Jet Pilot Chris,

You said:

"Airlines from what I hear to avoid are Eagle and CoEx on the top of the list. They hire people with little to no time and pay for that as well."

I can't speak for Eagle, but I can shed some light on the situation at CoEx.

I upgraded in 13 months on the ATR. My second year ATR CA pay is $46.06 an hour. Our contract is 4 years old and we just exchanged openers with the company on our new contract. I dont know to many folks at other regionals who were making $46 and hour their second year building PIC turbine time while doing so.

As far as your comment about our new hire experience, the avg new hire has about 1500/300. Not a great deal, but not on the bottom of the scale either. I think you should do a little research before you post next time.

BTW, did I mention we are taking delivery of 5 RJs a month the remainder( 8 EMB 145XR's in OCT) of this year and all of next year. We have a total of 163 ERJ's and 20 ATR's. If thats some place to stay away from then by all means stay away. Good luck with your job search.

No place is perfect, but there are far many worse than CoEx than there are better. I have 18 days off this month and I've been at the company 2 1/4 yrs. Ask a 2 yr ACA guy how many days of he/she has.

Compare a little next time before you post.

 

[RichO]

Just curious, so did COEX ever figure out it's interviewing/hiring practices, or is it still using the 8-ball?

 

[ATRCA]

Rich,

I have no idea what formula is used to determine who is hired and who is not. I have some good freinds who were good pilots who were not hired at CoEx. Thats just the way it works. All have found other jobs and are happy with thier situsations.

The folks that seem to complain the most are those who were turned down. Don't take it personally, rejection is part of the industry.

I can assure you that the "8-ball" is not part of the process. Sounds like you had a bad experience here. Sorry, thats the way it goes. I'm sure your doing just fine now.

 

[RichO]

Oh, actually I really never had an experience with COEX, I've had friends that were trying to get on with them and could never figure out what COEX looks for when it comes to inviting people to interviews and hiring........

 

[PilotOnTheRise]

ATRCA-

You are right, I do need to research I guess. What I am saying is more what Ive heard from some people, rather than actually seeing it myself. There are a few things that maybe you can clear up for me that can make me feel better about CoEx ....

1) What is starting FO pay? Ive heard it is $15-16K
2) What is the aircraft that most new hires are assigned?
3) Also, what is average upgrade time to captain?

-Thanks

P.S - I was by no means trying to bash CoEx, I would feel privilaged to fly for them.

 

[ATRCA]

Chris,

1. New hire pay right now (were not hiring, our contract is 4 yrs old) is $19.54 an hr.

2. All new hires are/will be hired into the EMB-145. The ATR is the only prop we have left and they are on there way out. Rumor has is that we may begin hiring early next year. We still have folks on furlough however the company says recalls will begin soon.

3. Upgrade time is hard to figure. When we begin hiring, I would imagine upgrade time will be about 2 yrs conservatively. Right now we have 330 CAL mainline pilots flying at Express. They have temporarily altered the senority list. The most junior RJ capt. right now is a Jan/2000 hire.

There are goods and bads at all companies. ASA, ACA, Air Wisconsin, SkyWest, CMR are all great companies and I think most would be satisfied with any of those. I just thought your comments were a little off the mark. Good luck.

 

[MartinFierro]

...believe it or not, you know what the best paying regional from what I hear is ... yes, you guessed it ... Piedmont, and they only fly Dash 8's. Dont look at the aircraft type and judge pay, do some research, you will find that you can get some good paying jobs.

True, they pay at the top for turboprops. The thing is, as you said, they only fly props. As jet pay is higher across the board than turboprop pay, you miss out in the long run on possibly getting that.

Airlines from what I hear to avoid are Eagle and CoEx on the top of the list. They hire people with little to no time and pay for that as well.

I will agree that prospective pilots should stay away from Eagle. But what is your basis for the low-time jab???? Very poor taste. Are you actually an airline pilot? If so, have you actually flown with a low-timer at an airline? Do you know any? To say what you said just out of the stigma that some people hold against low-timers is quite irresponsible.

Yes, I admit to being a low-timer. I for one am grateful for my opportunity. Please enlighten this furloughed Eagle pilot as to how low-timers cost Eagle or hurt Eagle, as you say? Any first-hande knowledge?

 

[PilotOnTheRise]

I never said or meant for it to come across that Eagle or CoEx were hurt by the low time hiring. What I meant by that is .. you can tell the difference sometimes, paywise, based on the experience of the pilots being hired. A pilot being hired at an airline with minimums of 700TT is not going to be paid as well as a pilot hired by a airline with high minimums. I have seen that CoEx and Eagle both, as well as others hire people with times around there ... not all the time, but Ive seen it more than once. I was wondering if the pay reflected any of that, that is why I asked ATRCA what the pay was. I guess an example are airlines like Commutair, etc that have very low minimums ... I havent seen that they can pay 20-23/hr for their first year. There is nothing wrong with being a low time pilot and being hired by an airline. It is a great opportunity and didnt realize I said that.

I hope you see what I meant / was asking --
Chris

 

[MartinFierro]

OK. I see what you were trying to say.

However, keep in mind that one of the first airlines to hire low-time pilots was actually ASA. In fact, ASA, up until September, was hiring pilots with as little as just over 200 hours TT. So the correlation between hiring low-timers and pay may not necessarily go hand-in-hand.

 

[RichO]

200 TT with ASA prior to Sept 11th?? Are you sure about that, I could have swarn that 6months-year prior to that I recieved a post card saying apply when I had 1200TT.......

 

[MartinFierro]

Yes, quite sure. It is a fact. Of course, neither ASA nor Eagle were hiring just any low-timer. Those who were offered interviews came from various specialized "bridge" programs. The 200 hour pilots in question were graduates of FlightSafety's program, which I believe is no longer running.

 

[RichO]

That makes a little more sense......but, it sounded like they were being hired off the street with 200 tt......

 

[captjim]

I never said or meant for it to come across that Eagle or CoEx were hurt by the low time hiring. What I meant by that is .. you can tell the difference sometimes, paywise, based on the experience of the pilots being hired. A pilot being hired at an airline with minimums of 700TT is not going to be paid as well as a pilot hired by a airline with high minimums. I have seen that CoEx and Eagle both, as well as others hire people with times around there ... not all the time, but Ive seen it more than once. I was wondering if the pay reflected any of that, that is why I asked ATRCA what the pay was. I guess an example are airlines like Commutair, etc that have very low minimums ... I havent seen that they can pay 20-23/hr for their first year. There is nothing wrong with being a low time pilot and being hired by an airline. It is a great opportunity and didnt realize I said that.

I hope you see what I meant / was asking --
Chris

Chris please don't confuse pay and minimums with age and lenght of contracts. ACA, Air Willy, Comair all have brand new contracts. Like ATRCA said COEX's contract is old. The new one is being negotiated as we speak. As far as low time pilots being hired, a lot but not all of the lowtimers were either interns or their schools had an affiliation with COEX(ExpressJet). COEX is a good place to work, have a really good pilot group here. I'm glad they were short sighted enough to hire me!

 

[captjim]

Oh yea pay. As a 3rd year 120 captain my W2 was for $57,000. However I was in the training dept. for that. I knew of offline guys on the 120 that made in the $80's. There was an examiner on it that made $120,000. Yes the Brasilia!