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From newsmax.com:

Tuesday April 1, 2003 5 p.m. EST

FAA to Fliers: 'You're Too Fat!'

Look out, here comes more trouble for the airline industry, and possibly more hassles for travelers - and not the all-too-necessary security check type of hassles, either.

The Federal Aviation Administration allows each passenger on a small, commuter plane to weigh 185 pounds in the winter, including 20 pounds for carry-ons, and five pounds less in the summer, to account for the coats and heavy footwear people have shed.

However during a recent sampling of passengers, CommutAir of Plattsburgh, N.Y. found fliers with their massive carry-ons and bulging waistlines weighed an average of 216 pounds.

For a 19-passenger plane, that could put a flight over its weight limit by as much as 600 pounds.

Scenic Airlines, in a similar study, figured the average weight of a passenger rose about 18 pounds compared with the carrier's previous estimates.

With the recent crash in North Carolina of a small plane that was found to have been within a hundred pounds of it's max weight - 21 people died - and other accidents, including the one that killed pop star Aaliyah, the FAA is taking notice.

The Wall Street Journal writes: "Underestimating passenger weight doesn't necessarily compromise safety ... A 19-seat plane might fly safely even if it was overloaded by as much as 1,000 or even 1,500 pounds, provided the load was properly balanced.

"But combined with other mishaps or failures during flight, overloading could become a major factor in an accident, the airlines say."

In other words, a plane can be over weight, but nothing else can go wrong.

A 1999 study published in the Journal of the American Medical Association put the average weight of American men at 187.2 pounds, and women at 151.3 pounds.

This would suggest that the FAA's weight rules have been wrong for years, and one official agrees.

David Stempler, president of the Air Travelers Association, told the Journal, "Everyone just sort of knew that this whole assumed weight thing was ridiculous. When these weights are really analyzed, we're going to find that the weights used all along have been way, way off."

What does this mean, in practice, for the average traveler?

How about bumping passengers, pushing bags onto emptier planes, carrying less cargo, adding stops, implementing luggage surcharges to discourage heavy baggage, or higher ticket prices to compensate for the use of bigger planes?

All these hassles and more could be yours, if, the weight isn't right!
 
A buddy of mine is participating in weighing he pax and bags of flights at another 1900 airline. He said this audit on 19 seaters has opened some eyes to W&B issues. Not only fat passengers, but pilots too! (Myself included.....)

--03M
 
Average bag weights suck too

When I flew a Metro in scheduled passenger ops we used average weights.

It's a bad idea.

Not only are average pax wts consistently underestimated, so are average bag weights.

For example we used to assume a 10# hand carry for each pax whether they had one or not....sounds pretty conservative, eh?

Ever seen what these people try to carry on to an airplane? House plants, shovels, pizzas (but I digress)

Most people's idea of a carry on is a 50# backpack.

I've said all along: Maybe a big transport category airplane can absorb the difference between average and actual weights with no real detriment to performance, but a 19 seat commuter style plane should be reqd to use *actual* weights.
 
I use a Samsonite roller which is maximum carry-on size. When it is stuffed to the gills with clothes, books, and whatever else, it weighs 30 pounds. I can't imagine what those rollers the size of Volkswagens weigh when they are full, but it sure ain't 25 pounds.
 
There's not too much we can do about Americans weighing more, but we can sure restrict the amount and weight of checked and carry-on baggage that people bring. My previous airline had an excess baggage policy where they would charge you extra money if you had tons of baggage or if they were over a certain weight, but the policy was never enforced. Maybe if that is enforced, people will stop carrying so much extra $hit with them
All I've ever carried was a regular size roller bag (that fits in the overheads). Even when I packed for my month and a half groundschool, all I took was my roller bag and lived out of that for weeks.
 
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How do the 19 seat operators sample the pax weights? Does the gate agent ask, "how much do you weigh?" Or is a scale actully used in the process!!?? I'm sure some people are not fully disclosing their actual weight. I know on charters we get the pax actual weight, but how goes it for the general public?
 
How do the 19 seat operators sample the pax weights? Does the gate agent ask, "how much do you weigh?" Or is a scale actully used in the process!!??

I've seen two seperate one week tests done in PQI. The only thing that got weighed during those tests were checked bags. The average weight was well over the 25 pounds we currently use.
 
I think it's pretty comical to see the folks in the terminal who have the 'entire' rent-a-cart piled high with bags. Sometimes seven or eight bags. Also, those gargantuan, gigantic roll-a-boards are pretty comical. I feel like asking them "are you moving or is this a weekend trip?"
Then again they don't have the priveledge of knowing what we do. You can get by with the minimal amount of stuff as long as you don't try to be too stylish and have sporadic access to a washer and dryer.
 
lard a$$es

During the last check here we had scales for the PAX to get on prior to going on the ramp. All bags were weighed (caryons included) I didnt do any of the weighing so cant tell you how the PAX felt about it.
 
Just wondering......for those of you who fly for a carrier who uses "average" weights for passengers, what do you use? At Mesaba, we use 175 lbs. in the winter and 170 lbs. in the summer (May 1st - Oct 31st). Just wondering how uniform these are throughout the industry. Also we just upped our "standard" bag from 25 lbs. to 28 if there is such a thing as standard.
 
At Skyway, for the 1900 only, standard weights have gone to 200 in the winter, and 195 in the summer. The "closet" bags are 20 each, and checked bags are 28 each. Looking back on past flights, when we were at MTOW using old weights, is kinda scary now.
 
Years ago I went to europe, every single bag was being weighed.
Weigh the people, I don't have a problem with it, and if they weigh so much that you got to bump them, another passenger or baggage, let them pay for it. They apperently have the money to keep stuffing their mouth, so pay for the weight.
I also think that it is a problem for bigger planes. If your at MTOW with standard weights....... I have been on a few flights that were maxed out because of runway length, and I think the mains cleared the lights by mere inches :rolleyes:
 

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